Innapropriate do you think?

[Jardel_Karabella]

I think in the case of killing child PCs that want to die it becomes one of those grey areas of "intent" and "is it gratidious". Certainly killing children just to get attention or to establish your character as a bad person (like the violator in this example) is completely unacceptable and should be punished as swiftly and harshly as possible.

However, there have been child characters in the past who have gone around picking fights with dangerous creatures. I don't think the player of the evil monster in this case should have to play nice because someone else is moving into their RP space and attacking them.

As for an age limit on characters, as much as I'd like it I can already hear the screams of those who would feel they had been wronged and would drag us into the mine field of possible interpretations here.

This is an area that requires judgement, and in this case I think we should expect the players to err on the side of cautionary and always question "Is this really necessary?" before throwing child characters into danger (which IMO, is bringing them into Juxta or the tavern).

Since I cannot envision any scenario where it would be "necessary" to kill an NPC child, I think we can safely say this one is a nono.

 

[WizO_Pounamu]

Ok, a few of my personal opinions here...

You are always going to get characters being killed. Why? Because this is a RPing game with some serious dangers in it. Yes, the killing can be taken through to the appropriate combat room, but so long as it isn't a "fight", there is no OOC rule preventing the kill from taking place in another room. There have been many pc and npc kills in the Tavern or Emporium. In the Emporium it does become an ic law issue if reported to the law, the CRT is a little more chaotic there.

The killing of child characters may actually be part of someone's story. Eg, _______ is stupid enough to let the son of their ruler wander around without a guard, the enemy takes the child as revenge payment for the ongoing deaths of their people because of what the ruler is doing... I don't know. It is a realisitic situation especially historically. ><
So the act in itself may be a needed part of their story, and if the character was known they may decide it should be done where characters that knew them find out themselves.

The line is probably whether or not the way it is played is offensive etc. Taking it to the combat room would take care of a lot of that as other players not involved wouldn't get the full impact. If the play is at all graphic, it shouldn't be there anyway.

Now, from what I've heard of this it was an attention seeking player/character killing npcs and being utterly gross. The logs have been checked, the warns issued. At the time, it was not known of by ISRP WizOs and had to be done in retrospect. (Hey, we're still human and can't be everywhere at once ) But really the rule is always the same:

If you see something that you think is inappropriate, tell the player in PMs. If they go on reguardless, report it to a WizO via PM or grab the room name and time and do it in an email. If you don't want to see anything in the meanwhile, /ignore them. Don't stop to tell them, just do it.

Personally, I'd love to have age restriction on PCs. TMP has more-or-less age restrictions, although I know there are ways to get around it. >< But we can't enforce age restrictions, even when TMP begins, because we are not permitted to toss out characters that are unsuitable unless there is a CoC violation and just being there isn't enough for Room Disruption. What we need for that is a lil friendly peer pressure - Other players advising players of inappropriate characters that perhaps it's a bit silly for a 3yr old child to be wandering the streets alone, and suggesting something else for them to play. (Or if you really think its something that we mods should be controlling, then write to the bosses. )

- Pounamu

 

[Kathryn_aka_Kat]

Re: : (

This is a PG general site. <snipage>

Um, this should probably also be cleared up. It's a PG-13 site officially.

 

[Lace]

Sanks mang...

But i meant that exact same thing......

 

[Infernal Scribe]

i agree 100% with Poun, someone should PM the fellow that the action was a bit too graphic for the site, and if all things don't go well, the ignore command does wonders. If you don't want to see it, then don't. Simple as that.

- Jon

 

[Jeajea]

I have to say, at this point, that 'eating babies' is undoubtedly a very disgusting image for someone to be putting out for the rest of us to look at. And I'm glad it's been dealt with.

But someone commented that the CoC is a grey area, (I think) implying that that's a bad thing. I disagree (hell, look at my sig). Grey means room for adaptation to the situation. It's just trying to outline a general moral stance. If you have to wait for the rules to change before you can deal with some specific immoral thing - or even have to have a seperate rule for each possible immoral thing - you are ineffective as a moderator and protector of the people.

You see, hard and fast rules never work - there's already been a good demostration of this on this thread. It was suggested that no kids get killed because it was never necessary, and a situation was found where it would indeed be necessary. In my experience, it's something we humans do a lot - make rules, and then stick to them, so that thought is no longer required.

Obviously, some rules are a good idea, and without doubt, having the rule that killing children is a CoC violation would help prevent misconduct with respect to that sort of behaviour. But it would also hinder some moments of good gaming. Likely, it would help more than hinder, and I'm not in any way trying to advocate killing children - the idea is somewhat reprehensible to me - just trying to point out that hard and fast rules usually don't work. (There isn't even a hard and fast rule to say that hard and fast rules don't work... ) I hope you see my point.

What's actually needed is just a general level of maturity and decency. If certain individuals won't display these traits, others around them must, and tell them that their behaviour is unacceptable. Far more than WizO's telling people off and issuing bans or warns, peer pressure will stop someone doing something. After all, what do we come here for? To RP, to interact with one another. If nothing else, when everyone tells you not to do something, you'll leave, even if you don't stop doing it. Or you'll modify your behaviour to fit the norms of the group.

Not to rant too much, or anything... nor to go on big tangents... But really, we just need to impose morals on these people. Let them know just what we dislike, and why. Though, it's wiser to remain emotionless and disengaged about how you tell them. If you just rant at them angrily, like just shouting at that person on the phone who's totally unhelpful, they'll close up and not listen. So reason with them - there's pleanty of reasons why eating babies is not only grotesque, but also immoral and immature. Tell them calmly what those reasons are, and trust that a few others will do the same, and that they might then get the idea. Of course, this isn't a replacement for a warn. They should get that too. So tell a mod.

My thoughts.

~Jea's player, who feels strongly about this one.

 

[Lace]

*has to smile at Jea's post and refrain from high fiving him*

 

[Nihil]

"i agree 100% with Poun, someone should PM the fellow that the action was a bit too graphic for the site, and if all things don't go well, the ignore command does wonders. If you don't want to see it, then don't. Simple as that.

- Jon"

Well Jon, by that logic why are there rules at all? We could all be as the ostriches, if something scares us we'll put our heads in the sand and hope it goes away. What a splendid idea, then whenever someone new comes in they can think the site is for miscreants and neverdowells.

Needless to say I don't agree with such, and silence is agreement even if it is only uncaring indifference.

Thank you,
Nihil

 

[Andion Isurand]

In addition to my being greatly offended as well...

I was really dissappointed when even I was issued a warn by *a_certain_wizo*... for what my character did to ROLEPLAY a way to keep *the_offending_person* from eating the above mentioned babies.

I think some wizos really need to work on the consitency and fairness of their rulings at times, in addition to everything else.

And by the way, the decanter I used, was to distract ONLY *the_offending_person* from eating babies until the wizos could respond (which I used only when he was near the tavern doors). And it was only after I was done with it and turned it off, that I casually did the little crotch thing as I put it away... which was really a tiny bit of dirt compared to the number of things I see go unchecked each day.

In addition, I was never once PMed concerning what it was that I was doing (not that it really was anything), before getting this errant warn.

 

[Orn_shi]

This was a unfotunate thing that happend.. i think i was going to Flip out.. And the thing that Sickend me almost as much as the Character Raislin serving up INFANTS, to another character to eat was that no other person ( character ) in the Tavern said or Did anything about it.. well Almost no one

Andion_Isurand, i wanted to thank you for Assisting in trying to calm the situation in the tavern in a NON VIOLENT way.. as per the CoC!!!((using non-lethal spells and playfull familliar antics..))

((I am a father of 2 beautiful babies this sickens me.. i just dont understand why this kind of crap need to happen.. ))

And there was a Wizo on duty, WIZO_TIGER, i contacted her/him? my self just befor i went to "RP" the rescue of the Infant.. i was abit diappointed in the reaction time of the wizos to enact some control over the said Characters actions above

Have any of you ever heard of policing your own?..Pm wise ( or is this also not allowed, as it says nothing in the CoC about it) dont turn your cheek on something like that..

I just wanted to speak my mind, thank you Thanryon for starting this thread, it realy let a load off my mind and makes me feel better about this chat and most who visit here..