Innapropriate do you think?

[WizO_Pounamu]

Breaking the Code of Conduct is never acceptible, whether in-character or out-of-character.

Someone breaking the CoC using IC acts does not require IC acts to stop them, indeed playing along with it can and often does let the offending player think that his or her actions are acceptible.
That being said, I have yet to see any evidence that anyone told those involved clearly OOC that their actions were unwanted and offensive. I am not one of the WizOs whose sorry job it was to review those logs directly, so if anyone has evidence to the contrary by all means contact me in email.

What happened with WizO Tiger is an unfortunate but cruel twist of circumstance. He may have been dealing with an issue within his own area at the time, unaware of the full impact of the problem in the CRT. (Perhaps I should point out that if he had managed to deal with the CRT situation as well, it certainly would have had nothing IC.)

Room Disruption does not have to be caused by a direct CoC violation but also IC actions that are disrupting the room that they are done in. A fight also does not have to be violent, as we often see in pie situations. There was disruption as well as offensive content in the room. This was acted upon when the log was reviewed.

I should like to point out that in many situations where the log must be checked after the incident, Warns are issued whether the player is online at the later time or not. We are only able to contact players if they are on the site or have their email address "attatched" to their screen name by typing in the command /email followed by the email address wished to use. To check what email address you have on a screen name, type in "/email" without anything after it while logged in as that screen name. (Your email details using this command are visible only to site staff.)
We will not discuss anyone's Warns with anyone other than the person who recieved them. Queries reguarding your own Warn or about Warns in general may be sent to admin@wizardsmoderator.com.

As a side note, one of my colleagues has pointed out that baby-eating in itself mentioned in a lot of children's stories (eg. Babayagga, Hansel and Gretel), which adds its own difficulties to saying flat out what is and isn't acceptible. So I say again: If you see something that you do not think is acceptible, tell them clearly OOC in a PM.

- Pounamu

 

[WizO_Ka'yn]

I've been watching this thread, lurking- I guess you might say. I thought it might be best to just watch rather than "add to" but today I changed my mind.

I wanted to touch on the subject of patrons/players reporting problems. As I recall when I was growing up one of the worst things to ever be called was Tattletale. That was something to be avoided at all costs it seemed. Dont confuse that kind of thinking with what is essentially your responsibility as a player who wants to keep this site running smoothly and safely for all who play here.

Yes, it'd be nice to have Wizo moderation around the clock. But that's not possible at this time. So we are forced to deal with long blocks of time where we are not going to have a Wizo visably in the room. Most players carry on with their RP no matter if a Wizo is there or not. If they happen to see someone slipping near the edge of some COC infraction, they send a quick PM to remind or nudge and go right on with the RP. I've seen this lots of times. If the problem gets bad - say a scroller who's playing with the emotes.. probably this player might use the ignore on him. After all, its hard to even read the screen with scrolling going on. And most scrollers arent really going to listen to a nudge.

In these two situations one would call for a report, one probably wouldnt. The thing to do would be just report the room, time, screen name and a bit of what the problem was. In this case you'd just mention scrolling and send the report on its way. It's not tattletaling or being a squealer. Its just helping keep the site free for those who want to RP.

Will some infractions slip by unwarned? Yes. But the thing to remember is this. If a person is the kind to be a problem, he's not going to stop at one time. If he continues to be a problem, he'll be warned and removed if that's what it takes.

There are several players that are good about alerting me to things when there's no moderator onsite. They always say I hate to bother you, but you know what? It's not a bother. I would very MUCH rather be called in to help. And if I'm not free to pop in, I can usually find someone who is.

Ugh.. I'm probably rambling now. All I really wanted to say is, report problems please. I check my email several times a day, feel free to email me with any concerns. Kayn@wizardsmoderator.com
If you want to talk with someone higher along the chain than me, I heartily recommend speaking with Wizo_Adele. She's very understanding with great problem solving skills.

Let us work together to keep this place a fun place to play.


Ka'yn

 

[Jardel_Karabella]

I was really dissappointed when even I was issued a warn by *a_certain_wizo*... for what my character did to ROLEPLAY a way to keep *the_offending_person* from eating the above mentioned babies.

Well, first a question, did you file a complaint against them via the proper channels? If not it would appear you were encouraging their unacceptable behaviour by giving them the attention they wanted.

For dealing with CoC violations and things you find offensive there are numerous channels you can use. You can complian via the usual channels, if there's an ISRP WizO on hand you can PM them, you can use "/ignore add", you can PM the offending person and ask them to stop and why.

Claiming that you're trying to stop it by roleplaying however is like saying you were trying to stop a fight by jumping in and beating up both combatants.

And by the way, the decanter I used, was to distract ONLY *the_offending_person* from eating babies until the wizos could respond (which I used only when he was near the tavern doors). And it was only after I was done with it and turned it off, that I casually did the little crotch thing as I put it away... which was really a tiny bit of dirt compared to the number of things I see go unchecked each day.

Offensive behaviour doesn't come with pin point precision. If you do something to offend one person you're likely to offend anyone else who's in the room. And more to the point it encourages other people to join in and offend people, which leads to a room full of offensive people.

You have the tools available to rise above the offensive individuals, all you have to do is PM them, then if they don't stop report them and ignore them. That way they don't get the attention they want, you no longer have to see what they're posting and the authorities can deliver them their due.

In addition, I was never once PMed concerning what it was that I was doing (not that it really was anything), before getting this errant warn.

Well, um, really I don't see how you should need to have it explained to you that it's wrong. Your not a first time visitor, you know what the CoC of the site is like and should have better. You got a warn. A warn is a notice not to do it again or bad things may happen.

Don't do it again... it's that simple.

Originally posted by Orn_Shi
And there was a Wizo on duty, WIZO_TIGER, i contacted her/him? my self just befor i went to "RP" the rescue of the Infant.. i was abit diappointed in the reaction time of the wizos to enact some control over the said Characters actions above

Admitedly I'm not around as much as I used to be... but I'm pretty sure I know all of, or at least know of all the ISRP Wizos (arrogant individual that I am) and I've never heard of WizO_Tiger before. Are you sure he 's ISRP WizO? If not he might have been doing something very important.

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=community/wizos

Nowdays we have WizOs who have to supervise a variety of areas in things TCG, and they can't exactly just drop everything on request. That's why we have the ability to report and ignore people. And again... if you see someone RPing something you consider completely unacceptable, DO NOT ENCOURAGE THEM by jumping in and RPing with them. You just haul down the whole site and give them the message that their offensive behaviour is the simplest and easiest way to get the attention they crave.

 

[Lace]

Yowza's

hehehe

Not to downplay the seriousness of this topic, but MAN, no one can lay down the law better than Jardel can. *chuckles* Verra nicely put. I think that this topic can be pretty much closed now.

Judge Jardel Karabella's gavel has just been lowered.

 

[Orn_shi]

Sorry Jardel..

I cant agree with your just ignore what they are doing.. its sort of against what i am, and i told him to stop and he wouldn't..

So that killes that doesn't it.. and why is this all about Andion now.. its about *said Character* doing horrible acts in ISRP so lets keep it at that..

And as for Wizo_tiger.. please dont insult my intelligents, i think i know who a Wizo is when i see one.. and also, Wiso_Tiger silenced Raislin5000 after he took a bite of of the
babies head so i am truly sure that it was a Wizo... unless players can silence other characters as wizo's do....

 

[WizO_Siani]

I think the proper procedures have been laid out here several times. For those who missed it, look at Pounamu's post.

There is no excuse for violating the CoC. It doesn't matter how high someone's purpose might be. The rules are there for a reason, and *everyone* is bound by them. Equally.

We all make mistakes now and then, and that is why so many people get a simple PM asking them to correct something before it gets to the point of a warning. But at the end, the CoC is what governs behavior on site. If we are not there to oversee things, then we go to the logs if there is a complaint. No WizO was on duty in ISRP at the time of this incident.

WizO Tiger is with the Live area. He may well have been dealing with something in his own area. He is not an ISRP WizO and may not have been able to come right away, and if he was dealing with something, it was not his place to tell anyone about it, nor does anyone else have any business knowing about it.

We do not discuss disciplinary actions with anyone other than the person it concerns.

Things are getting a little too personal and heated on this thread. I suggest everyone back off and take a deep breath for a while. I'd rather not see any more presonal type comments here, and the subject of WizO Tiger has been hashed out here often enough.

As for the incidents in the Tavern, it was my sorry task to read that log from top to bottom. Appropriate actions have been taken and the matter is now closed. I suggest questions on it be sent to isrp@wizardsmoderator.com or wizards@community.com from this point on.

Siani

 

[Jaya Ballard Balla'th]

/agree Siani

 

[yanou_everyoung]

Suggestion for new in character room

I have had several characters mention to my character while in the tavern that this is an inappropriate place for a child to be. I agree totally with that statement , but have chosen to play a character younger then most. As there are only two places to be in character(meaning ISRP) while in this site the choices are limited. I propose a room set aside for younger characters perhaps a school setting or something similar.

Also being an orphaned character this child does not have many choices as to where he can go, his survival being the most important he often choices the tavern because he can stay warm and get something to eat so next time while critizing him think of this.

In response to the main question the behavior in question was horrible and should have been dealt with, I am sure the Wizo's are performing the appropriate actions at this time. But as noted the Wizos are not police officers and ultimately do not have to step in as long as the Code of Conduct is not violated. In this case it seems it had been violated.

 

[Kathryn_aka_Kat]

Re: Suggestion for new in character room

Bingo!

Yanou's player: "but have chosen to play a character younger then most"

Exactly! You made that choice, so please don't be surprised if other players have their characters react appropriately. Depending on their chars, this may range from "that poor child, let me buy you something to eat" to "come here, kid, let me turn you over to the nearest orphanage" to "oh look, someone easy to abuse." It also pushes the Freedom-of-Destiny allowance to absurdity since others have to act as if this 3 or 4 or even 9 year old child can survive/avoid/escape/do anything it pleases as if it were an adult. And don't give me the necessity of hanging out in the tavern as if it were based on real life: in the real situation the child might visit it to cadge a meal but only when it was relatively empty, and he wouldn't be romping through it as if it were a day care center. Which you're asking that they create? Maybe they should make a gothic room for the vampires and a god-mode room for those higher than 40th level, etc., etc. Or people could just make characters appropriate to the existing rooms?

If you want a character that others will enjoy playing with, then make a character that plays well with others. I'm a little confused by those that make quirky or difficult-to-deal-with chars and then are annoyed by others reacting to it. Play a grumpy sarcastic person, sure! But don't complain that people hate and avoid it. Play a "sweetly innocent" child, but don't be surprised if many avoid it as well.

 

[Nihil]

You decided to forget the realistic aspect and play a child because you wanted too. Good for you, you should play whomever you want, but at the same time so will everyone else. If you have ever gone to a bar and taken a good look around it's rather obivious that a child would be oil to water there, and treated that way. Don't expect everyone to welcome him, even if the characters are of good alignment, they come to the tavern to relax, not to babysit. And if he's been adopted well.. why is he still going out? Also, let's be honest you don't go to the tavern because it's warm or whatever, you go because that tends to be where the most people are.

A room for child characters would never work, there seems to only be you that would want it, and I daresay the WizOs have enough to do moderating the rooms they have.

Just my thoughts, you play what you want against better judgement, don't be so surprised when others don't react the way you want them too.

Nihil