Intensify Spell is an Epic WASTE!!!!

[James McMurray]

Marshall: The requirement of taking the feat multiple times is a special circumstance inherent to Enhance spell. It is not a general rule affecting all metamagic feats. If it ere, it would be in the PHB under metamagic feats.

 

[kreynolds]

The ELH clears up the multiple metamagic problem(actually just muddies the water even more...)

How so? It seems clear to me.

To use the feat multiple times one spell You have to take it multiple times and pay the +4 each time you increase the cap.

No. You buy the feat once. From that point on, any spell you prepare with the enhance spell feat has it's damage increased as stated in the description and raises the spell level by +4. You can use it on any number of spells. You only take it multiple times to further increase the damage caps of all of your spells, but to take advantage of the new cap, you still have to prepare the spell with the feat and bump up its level.

So unless you spent 7 feats on Empower, no go!

Why would you need to spend 7 feats on empower? (I think I missed something)

Intensify looking a little better now?

I still dig it.

 

[Marshall]

No. You buy the feat once. From that point on, any spell you prepare with the enhance spell feat has it's damage increased as stated in the description and raises the spell level by +4. You can use it on any number of spells. You only take it multiple times to further increase the damage caps of all of your spells, but to take advantage of the new cap, you still have to prepare the spell with the feat and bump up its level.

Read it again. Specifically the last para on pg 54.

In order to Enhance Enhance Fireball for +20d6 and +8 levels you have to buy the feat twice.

>James M.< Actually the whole idea of multiple Empower is based on a few emails from the sage and/or the designers. The PHB is completely silent on wether you can or cant do it. This instance being the first time it comes up in a rule book indicates that since none of the other feats have the "special" section, you cant.

 

[Crothian]

Enhance spell is a funky metamagic feat. It's the only one that has to be selected twice to be used twice. Wierd

 

[kreynolds]

Read it again. Specifically the last para on pg 54.

In order to Enhance Enhance Fireball for +20d6 and +8 levels you have to buy the feat twice.

Yeah. I figured that out in the car on my way home from work. Doh!

>James M.< Actually the whole idea of multiple Empower is based on a few emails from the sage and/or the designers.

That's how empower works. You don't have to take empower multiple times to use it multiple times. You just need the higher spell slots available.

From the DnD FAQ...emphasis mine

Can someone who has taken the Persistent Spell feat
from the FORGOTTEN REALMS Campaign Setting or the Tome
and Blood book make two different spells persistent? For
example, could a 10th-level level cleric cast shield of faith
from a 5th-level spell slot (giving himself a +3 deflection
bonus to AC) and also cast divine favor from another 5th-
level slot (also giving himself a +3 luck bonus to attacks and
damage) and have both spells last 24 hours (barring
dispelling)?
Persistent Spell is a metamagic feat that works just like any
other metamagic feat. If you have the feat and the spell slots to
spend, you could make every spell you cast persistent, provided
all of them are eligible to receive the feat.

Note that it states "If you have the feat". It does not state "If you have the feats.

This instance being the first time it comes up in a rule book indicates that since none of the other feats have the "special" section, you cant.

That indicates only one thing. That's how Enhance Spell works. That is not, however, how Empower Spell works.

 

[HEL Pit Fiend]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Intensify Spell is an Epic WASTE!!!!

Sorry let me further clearify

Their wizard, from 30th level:
30th -- improved spell capacity (15th)
32nd -- intensify spell (-1)
33rd -- intensify spell (-2)
35th -- intensify spell (-3)
36th -- intensify spell (-4)
38th -- intensify spell (-5)
39th -- intensify spell (-6)

Oops, I meant "improved metamagic (-1) thru (-6)". You can only take intensify spell once.

 

[doktorstick]

Heck yeah! Roll those dice! The fighter types are rolling 1-20 dice around for to-hits, weapon damage, extra damage dice, and not even considering rolling confirmations on criticals from those huge threat ranges. Bring on the clatter!

As for averages, the more dice you throw, the closer you approach the average. It may seem bogus, but that's math for ya. There is that chance though... that really small chance...

/ds

 

[Berk]

Ummmm, you can stack metamagic feats? I don't think that was how it was originally planned. With that logic I could cast confusion here from the eastern part of the states and affect however many people just happened to be standing in a 30' diameter when I cast the spell in china with stacking enlarge spell feats. I don't think it's supposed to work like that people. That's just rediculous.

 

[Berk]

and oh yeah, kreynolds, what point are you making with this?

Can someone who has taken the Persistent Spell feat
from the FORGOTTEN REALMS Campaign Setting or the Tome
and Blood book make two different spells persistent? For
example, could a 10th-level level cleric cast shield of faith
from a 5th-level spell slot (giving himself a +3 deflection
bonus to AC) and also cast divine favor from another 5th-
level slot (also giving himself a +3 luck bonus to attacks and
damage) and have both spells last 24 hours (barring
dispelling)?
Persistent Spell is a metamagic feat that works just like any
other metamagic feat. If you have the feat and the spell slots to
spend, you could make every spell you cast persistent, provided
all of them are eligible to receive the feat.

I just can't find a reason to that quote at all in this post since it is talking about persistant spell and not empower. =op

 

[drowdude]

Ummmm, you can stack metamagic feats? I don't think that was how it was originally planned. With that logic I could cast confusion here from the eastern part of the states and affect however many people just happened to be standing in a 30' diameter when I cast the spell in china with stacking enlarge spell feats.

Well, no, actually you couldnt, you still have to be able to see your targets no matter how many times you stacked Enlarge onto the spell.

I don't think it's supposed to work like that people. That's just rediculous.

I dont have specific quotes or anything, but I know that when you apply multiple metamagic feats to the same spell each modifies the *base* effect.