Invisibility question

[Abraxas]

posted by Hypersmurf
Well, the Darkness spell doesn't actually have an area or an effect, just a target.

So any spell with those criteria wouldn't end the invisibility?

So now I need a list of all spells that have those criteria

 

[Thanee]

Any spell, that does not have a foe as target or an area which affects foes within it (see the Bless example mentioned in the spell description of Invisibility), does not break the invisibility.

Usually indirect methods of attacking work well.

You could also cast a Fireball and remain invisible, if the spell's area does not include a foe, for example, only if you actually attack a foe directly, does the spell end.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Abraxas]

Well doesn't darkness have an area that affects foes within it?
Also, that would make the delay spell metamagic feat more useful.

Anyhow, this all came about because a flying wizard dropped a coin with damning darkness cast on it into a group of PCs. I'm of the opinion that that would end the invisibility, others disagree.

 

[Vrecknidj]

So if you cast invisibility on a moveable fence, and cast invisibility on a spear that you place into that fence so that it was pointing forward, and then you cast invisibility on yourself and moved the invisible fence-with-spear contraption, and then you moved away from the contraption, and then a rider on horseback ran into that spear, would you ever become visible during all of this (assuming the duration doesn't expire, of course)?

Dave

 

[Thanee]

Well doesn't darkness have an area that affects foes within it?

Nope, since it does not have an area.

It also does not affect foes (directly) in the sense meant here. It affects the light level, which only indirectly affects foes.

Also, that would make the delay spell metamagic feat more useful.

Don't think that helps here. As soon as the spell goes off, it's an attack and you become visible.

It has to work in an indirect way... delaying does not do that.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Thanee]

Darkness

Target: Object touched
Area: N/A
Effect: N/A

See? Nothing there.

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Thanee

 

[Thanee]

...would you ever become visible during all of this (assuming the duration doesn't expire, of course)?

Nope.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Abraxas]

OK, I see what you're saying. If the spell description does not have an entry for Area or Effect and it doesn't target a creature or attended object it doesn't end the invisibility.

So now I have to see how many spells I can find that wreak havoc on my enemies but don't have Area or Effect entries in the stat block and can be targeted on unattended objects.

Time for some spell research.

 

[Silveras]

I think what Abraxas is getting at is this: Damning Darkness deals damage to Good and Neutral creatures within the darkness it creates.

So, yes, dropping a coin with Damning Darkness cast on it *would* be an attack, in much the same way that hurling a flask of Alchemist's fire to splash an area would be; the "target" is not a creature, but the effect of delivering it is to attack and damage creatures.

On the other hand, if the coin were dropped ahead of the group and the group was allowed to walk into it, that would be a different story; more along the lines of the indirect damage caused by summoning a creature that then attacks.

 

[Thanee]

What book is Damning Darkess from, BTW? BoVD?

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Thanee