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[Edena_of_Neith]

Renewal of drow claim

I really am more of a mind to claim the drow, in their scattered enclaves, with Eclavdra as their queen.

Count me as claiming the drow (and being wishy-washy), Serpenteye.

If I am given the drow, I need to know where their major enclaves are, that I control.

(sighs)

I suppose someone else could run the Solistarim, if Serpenteye allows them into the IR. Ah me ... I would like to run my dark creation, but the drow are more tempting. Who can resist Eclavdra?

 

[Edena_of_Neith]

(With gratitude to William and Maudlin)

Here is a link that if you follow, you can bring up closeup maps of various parts of the Flanaess, or a closeup of the entire Flanaess. Recommended:

http://www.sodabob.com/roleplay/dnd/Maps/

Here is the overview map of the Flanaess, with many of the names:

http://www.sodabob.com/roleplay/dnd/Maps/completeflanaess.gif

Here is a large-scale map of the Flanaess and adjacent areas. No names are on this map:

http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/5878/gridgeo.gif

Here is an even larger scale map that shows the whole continent of Oerik, with the Flanaess and Hempmonaland at the eastern end. The names of many off-Flanaess countries are on this map.

http://members.aol.com/cathbhadhx/tsroerth.gif

Here's another large scale map:

http://www.sodabob.com/roleplay/dnd/Maps/oerthlarge.gif

Here are map links for Greyhawk from William's Map and Other Campaign Resources Post (the one with the sticky) at the top of the Talking the Talk messageboard. (thumbs up, William! )

http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/5878/wogmaps.html
Greyhawk Maps: http://www.thewatchman.de/spidersweb/oerik.htm
Oerth and Greyhawk maps: http://www.sodabob.com/roleplay/Campaigns/GreyhawkMaps/
Oerth map: http://members.aol.com/cathbhadhx/tsroerth.gif
Oerik Continent: http://www.highprogrammer.com/alan/...p/supermap.html
World of Greyhawk Map: http://www.arrantdestiny.com/maps.htm
Greyhawk Maps: http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/5878/wogmaps.html
(One shows latitude.)
Living Greyhawk Maps: http://ca.geocities.com/kanisl/
World of Greyhawk Maps: http://talmeta.net/maps/wog.htm

I would recommend you peruse that thread. There's a lot of good stuff in there, and William has done an excellent job of sorting it out.

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Here is one of Maudlin's (cheers, Maudlin! ) map from the 3rd IR. It is the only map of his I can still access, unfortunately:

http://users.pandora.be/maudlin/Greyhawk.jpg

From this, you can see a couple of things:

1: A map is vital for the IR. Serpenteye is right on that. And I do not know how to create maps at all, much less duplicate what Maudlin did.

2: Maudlin's work was (and is) beautiful, as you can see. The 3rd IR wouldn't have been half of what it was without him. But I cannot contact Maudlin. I haven't heard from him in years. And I don't know anyone who can duplicate what Maudlin did.

3: The map shows changes in the geography of the Flanaess. That's because we seriously messed up the geography of the Flanaess. And I'm sure we could have messed it up a lot more, given a bit more time.

4: We added a LOT of powers to the Flanaess that did not previously exist. In addition, countries off-map are referred to by arrows on the fringes of the map. And note the circle areas that depict Underdark and underwater nations. (Mountains, forests and rivers are on the map, but shaded according to whoever held them.)

5: It's up to Serpenteye whether any of those new nations are used. For example: the Deepwater League (merfolk/triton nation), the Solistarim, Aerlindre (sky elven nation), Kinemeet (one of the Bandit Cities turned into a nation, along with Kor, Redhand, Artonsay, Riftcrag, and Fellands), Chauntosbergen (good aligned dwarven nation), Delrune (high elven nation), Heisenbaudos (frost giant nation), Usurbaudos (hill giant nation), Grannmont (storm giant/aarocroka nation), the Spirit Empire of Garnak (a powerful baklunish nation with powerful nature and good undead allies), Calrune (a centaur nation ), Varnaith (off-map equatorial elven empire), the Quaggoth Tribal Confederation of the Burneal Forest, and others.
A few of the new nations were solely the creation of the players. For example: The Hive Cluster (run by Forsaken One) is one of these.

6: As you can see from the map - and things had GREATLY sorted themselves out by the time this particular map was made!!! - the powers of the IR were all jumbled together in a confusing welter. Everyone was right there in everyone else's face, far far too close for comfort. Some players opted for one big territory for their protection. Some opted for many small enclaves, so if one was destroyed the others survived. And some weren't on the map at all: the Black Brotherhood being a notable case (nothing like out of sight, out of mind.)
Some players were content with what they had, and just watched events. Some (like William) negotiated furiously and made alliances, creating the good aligned Alliance of Oerth. Some played off the various sides against each other (let's you and him fight. Heh, that was you, Gnomeworks.) One attempted to create a kind of Dark Byzantium, forsaking combat but keeping force ready (cheers to you, John Brown) Some went ballistic from the word Go (hey there, Melkor!) And some connived and schemed and plotted, and threatened, and attacked, then plotted some more (look at how BIG Serpenteye and Mr. Draco's Empire of Aerdi - it became the nasty Union of Oerth - got!) And two (Forrester, Anabstercorian) threatened Oerth from Wildspace as well as from the ground. (My salutes to all in the 3rd IR! )
And that was before things got truly wild (don't ask, unless you have a very strong stomach. You'll find out soon enough, if Serpenteye takes this IR anywhere close to what happened in the 3rd IR. )

 

[The Forsaken One]

If I get the chance I'm not pulling punches this time. This time I will blow everything to smithereens muhahahahaa!

The Peninsula east of the Pearl Sea. I'll claim that as a Huge forest / Jungle and as an ancient troll kingdom/nation. Perhaps Sahuagin from the Pearl Sea as allies if the Trolls won't suffice.

And as you all can see clearly now, Edena is impossible to replace But we'll have to may do

[EDIT: According to the worldview from outer space, the Peninsula is called Hepmondland/EDIT]

 

[Edena_of_Neith]

Again, here is Maudlin's last map from the 3rd IR, and the only one I can still link to. It's a beautiful map, and it shows how ABSOLUTELY VITAL IT IS that we have such a working map for Serpenteye's IR!

http://users.pandora.be/maudlin/Greyhawk.jpg

I cannot stress enough how valuable and helpful this map was, or how much I appreciated Maudlin's help in the 3rd IR.

Edena_of_Neith

 

[Rikandur Azebol]

I suppose someone else could run the Solistarim, if Serpenteye allows them into the IR. Ah me ... I would like to run my dark creation, but the drow are more tempting. Who can resist Eclavdra?

Noone. Even Us.
She's my favourite elven ambassador.
And You forgot one thing about Iuz, who I claimed and try to fold into character, Iuz is a god. Not merely a demon. And he was human before, half-fiend, but human. No demon is as nasty as humans.

So if Serpenteye would, he dare to not , allow You to run Drow elves. What would You say of little alliance against illithids and other subterran nasties ? Of course my fold is open for new faithful if You would like to convert.

 

[Edena_of_Neith]

To Rikandur

If Serpenteye allows me to play the drow ...

Eclavdra has this to say, and it is heard publicly through various means:

Anyone who doesn't acknowledge the might and glory of the Wise One, Iuz, should carefully consider their own reality.
The drow have had a long and fruitful history in their friendship with the Wise One. The drow have benefited enormously from the wisdom and doings of the Wise One, and many wise drow have sacrificed all for him, knowing his way was best.
The drow wonder what the Wise One intends, now that the Crystal Sphere of Greyspace is closed off and none now remain in the world who can stand against his Magnificence?
As for the illithid, isn't it possible that they, with their communal intellect and understanding which the drow have long appreciated, might not choose to worship the Wise One?
Perhaps the Wise One should grant his grace to the all the small beings of the Underdark, and give them a chance to behold his radiance and kneel before him.

 

[Rikandur Azebol]

If Serpenteye allows me to play the drow ...

Eclavdra has this to say, and it is heard publicly through various means:

Anyone who doesn't acknowledge the might and glory of the Wise One, Iuz, should carefully consider their own reality.
The drow have had a long and fruitful history in their friendship with the Wise One. The drow have benefited enormously from the wisdom and doings of the Wise One, and many wise drow have sacrificed all for him, knowing his way was best.
The drow wonder what the Wise One intends, now that the Crystal Sphere of Greyspace is closed off and none now remain in the world who can stand against his Magnificence?
As for the illithid, isn't it possible that they, with their communal intellect and understanding which the drow have long appreciated, might not choose to worship the Wise One?
Perhaps the Wise One should grant his grace to the all the small beings of the Underdark, and give them a chance to behold his radiance and kneel before him.

(OOC: Thou art ... beautiful, Edena. Sob, sob ... Pity that Iuz, being a paranoical maniac, might not understand beauty of Eclavdra's statements. )

"Wery well then, since surface might only benefit from high culture, devolped by Drow magnificient intelligence during their long history of fruitious existence, blessed by higer understanding of ...

*Iuz kicks his current advisor, terrorised devil clinked with his slave chains and standed straighter quietly reading papers with prepared speech. His quasit overseer smirked and branded devil's back with poker soaked in water. Fiend gritted it's teeth when burning marks displayed themselves where little demon branded him.*

.. higer principles of life. We, God-Emperor, Lord of Pain, Master of Skulls, Iuz the Old, Wise One,, Enlightend One are proclaiming ours eternal friendship with Drow nation in the person of Eclavdra, Supreme Matriarch of Drow."

Nice writing ... You may live longer, devil ... isn't it beautiful to be useful ? And now ... Prepare my Legions ! We are going to the war !

*Roar of the gathered orcs, demons, and other troops almost toppled heavens.*

 

[Creamsteak]

If I run the illithids, I will attempt to claim a number of other aberrations, including the beholders and any aberrent undead which can be controlled suitably... but remember, the voidmind armies are not evil. They are certainly not good, but they are not by definition evil...

Simply hungry.

And what is to say that the illithids wouldn't serve alongside the powers of good? What little difference does it make to the lords of the illithids whom they would enslave? Why, only the delicate differences in the taste of the cerebral fluids and delicious, soft, and nutricious brains. Troll brains, if they truly do regenerate like the rest of the troll, seem like an excellent and enduring foodstuff, do they not? Perhaps they are a bit grimier, and they certainly taste like phosphoric acid, human vomit, and sweat, but it happens to be an acquired taste. With a little bit of salt, who would notice? Well... perhaps our pet slug-monsters would notice... they don't seem to like salt. But hey, what good is a slug monster if you can't melt it down for butter?

Mmmmm...

 

[Creamsteak]

Serpenteye, where is your factions list?

And Serpenteye ... Am I correct that ther is one ugly forest in the middle of my land, wich is out of my grasp ? Fellreev forest ? And where is Stonehold ? I couldn't find it on the map. Closest thing to Stonehold in my reach is Hold of Stonefist ... are they one and the same ?

In the 3rd IR, Iuz found that forest to be one of his largest threats. Beware what sleeps...

 

[Rikandur Azebol]

Serpenteye, where is your factions list?

In the 3rd IR, Iuz found that forest to be one of his largest threats. Beware what sleeps...

Yes, enemies on all corners ... I think that this particular fores nedds solid de-partisation, so my chief advisors claim that deforestation should give similiar result. What ot do with all this wood ?

Echem, did illithidi consider opening trade routes ? I have a lot of troublesome goblins, who don't need brains anyway. I will think for them.

And faction list, on the page 2 or 3. If I remeber correctly.