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Mr. Draco
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posted 04-11-2001 03:24 PM

Well, now that the industrial revolution thread is gone, and i was thinking of using this as a campaign
world, why doesn't everybody who participated come and post what you remember, that way when we are
done, eric can archive it and we will have the definitive answer of what happened on Toril.

Everybody post what you remember before you forget

Speaker for the Dead,
Draco

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Upper_Krust
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posted 04-12-2001 05:05 AM

How quickly they forget...


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Gez
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posted 04-12-2001 06:26 AM

It's very simple: we, clever and good-hearted gnomes, designed new way of softening the burden of all
humanoids (I mean this in the broad, generic sense, not in the 2e meaning of the term when it was a
synonym for "goblinoid" and "all evil bipedals").
Yes, some prototypes were a little faulty (annoying side effects like smoke, for example), but our own
Gnome Druids showed us the problems and we solved it instantly.
Then, for an unknown reason, the druids from other races, and nearly all the elves entered in a
bloodthirsty frenzy, killing, sabotaging, rampaging our cities and workshops, assassinating the most
brillant gnomes of Toril, slaughtering babies in their craddle (as Elves always do).
Everyone was revulsed by such a blind and atrocious deed, and everyone attacked those naughty,
obscurantist, regressist, barbaric elves.
Even our traditionnal enemies (kobolds, goblins, and other disliked humanoids) allied with us to protect
our knowledge and to stop the atrocities of the elves.
Suddenly the masks were down: the elves are evil, and the despised kobolds, goblinoids, orcs and co. are
not that bad.
Yes, the Elves were evil, practicing some immoral control over what other races could do and could know.
When us gnomes found new lights, new toys, new things to ease the life of everyone, they immediately
assaulted us.
Despite our attempt to peace, despite our demonstrations that our inventions were not harmful, they
continued to harass us, sabotage our works, assassinate our engineers.
The elves were just willing to prevent anyone to achieve a golden age.
No the elves are all dead. We liked them, initially. Until they reared their real head. Now, we just say good
riddance. The elves were the world's biggest lies, awfullest infamy, most dangerous traps.
After all the wrong the elves did, we can now rebuild our world. And see how is this world: all humanoid
races working together, in peace. Even illithids are accepted (but they have to feed on artificial food).
What was Toril before our Inventions: a land of strife, conflict and racism. What is Toril now the elves are
gone: a land of peace, friendship, cooperation, and respect.

Here is what I, leader of the Gnomes, can said. We won't regret the demise of the Deceivers. Their
ruthless and thoughtless attacks were the cruelest betrayal ever.

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zouron
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posted 04-12-2001 07:19 AM

what happend hmmm good question really.

the whole thing started with the technology developing race, the gnomes, and the nature ones going to
war because they could not lvie with each others progressions demands.

everyone joine dthe fray, personally I did gather troops from the hordes of undead and from the ranks of
wizards. My goal was to gain peace and preserve and develop the knowledge of magic, through any
means nessecary.

The war continued everyone joined the fray, I am my men created a sanctuary for which we could store our
precious knwoledge, the sanctuary was a vast demiplane, here all spell casters was offered to hide if they
would futher the study of magic. Of course I traded resources and bodies to increase my undead army,
while perhaps on the morale edge, they did have the advantage of not costing in our numbers, and since
most are mere shells it was nay a problem for me to use.

I had several alliances going on at these times, but mostly with the techno side, the gnomes in a thin
alliance if such a word could be used. I decided on the first peace meeting I would encourage the
diplomate to be men of standing, and kidnap them which went well, in hope that the adventures that
would try and free them from both sides would learn to live together and spread this new hope of peace to
the others. I failed, the diplomates was freed, but there was no peace.

The next big change was the elven spell created chaos of "Just" spells useed continously, I was able to
escape with my men to the sanctuary, hidding while this went on. I knwo you might think much more
happend, but it had little meaning to mention since it was merely war on war. Though I could mention that
we also started psionical research and of couse technology research, but not on expense of nature, but to
live harmoniously with it.

When the psionical powers healed the weave, I and my men returns and secured a vast area for
ourselves. Unlike everyone else we had suffered no ill effect from the destroyed weave. while allied with
others we tried despearetely to gain all spell casters and save the elves from becoming a myth of the
past. But the war slowly did end eventually, and I gathered a huge land under my command, and trade
useful and anture friendly technology, psionics and magic (and any combination of these), to those willing
to pay the expensive price, though in our huge librarie4s weapons of the dreaded past still exist they will
remain... closed.

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Estlor
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posted 04-12-2001 12:35 PM

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

It was a nice and normal border squabble between technology and nature. You're typical archetypes. The
only problem was, well, the outsiders had to intervene.

So someone blew up the weave and set the humanoids loose.

The elven side never recovered from that. The Fair tried to sue for peace but no one listened, and in the
end they chose a world ruled by elves over a world ruled by humanoids. But, almost not expecting
retribution, Forrester brought his bloodlust for elves to bear and took Evermeet, which caused it all to
explode.

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DarwinofMind
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posted 04-12-2001 12:42 PM

It was interesting to reveal in that thread how wrong the alignments in the MM really are....

The elves were definnattly Chaotic Evil.
"Oh, you create something new. We don't like it, we're going to kill you..."

"Our problems with your tech is that it pollutes, so you add magic to where it doesn't pollute. You can't do
that don't you know we're in charge, we'll show you. We'll take away the magic. Now it pollutes again and
we can continue to complain."

"Oh, We're going to lose? Ok, We'll destory the earth, Noone but elves deserve respect."

The Humaniods faught with honor yet violence, They had a hated for elves, but killing and hating evil
things is allowed in DND. Deffinattly Lawfull Netrual.

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Forrester
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posted 04-12-2001 01:54 PM

Everything Gez said, except more stuff about elven ass-kicking. Oh, and the fact that the Technomancy
would have fallen without our aid.

Yeah, the elves were whiny sonsofbitches, weren't they? "You can't pollute, it's wrong. Oh, we're beaten.
Excuse us while we blow up the world and throw enough dust into the sky to blot out the sun's heat for a
century."

Imagine. The elves did, to a large degree, what they hated the illithids and the humanoids for trying to
do.

Namely,
1) Blot out the sun
2) Cause a huge amount of pollution.

They did BOTH with their little Wraths.
But that's okay. Draco to the rescue . And we've recovered . . . and Toril is essentially ELF-FREE!!
Woohoo!

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Gruffmug
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posted 04-12-2001 02:51 PM

I represent the Scro and githyanki/githzeral.
Our involvement began after the elves of toril foolishly caused the month of terror.

The gith races became involved when the illithiads made a big push for the surface in large numbers.
Fearing the worst the githyanki allied with their rivals the githhzerals and found common cause versus the
race that formally enslaved them both. The vast numbers of illithiad forced them to set aside the
differences for the war. In addition, because of the death of the githyanki lichqueen the alliance is likely
to continue in the future against the now stronger illithiads.

The Scro, spelljamming humanoids have a long history of hate with the elves. They offered alliance with
the githtian army to destroy both the elves and the illithiads.
Yes, the witchlight marauders are powerful but the Scro did create them. Not, only did they create them
but they are also of the mindset to use them. The are truly a military society, that wins by any means
necessary. They defeated a whole crystal sphere with them and their fleets of spelljammers. They have a
long history of hate for elves. Heck, it was the elves that created the Scro. In the Inhuman wars, the elves
crushed the humanoids, sending back to the stone ages. The humanoid's technology was destroyed and
they were turned into savages just to survive. From the ashes of the Humanoid Empire, arouse the Scro
forge in the fires of war. They came to avenge their ancestors. With the elves in realm space weakened
from the war on toril, the Scro moved in for the kill with their allies the Thri-kreen. They allied with thier
earthbound breathren and proceded to womp on the elves and chase the illithiad bellow ground.
In the end, It is the Scro alliance that won out. We control realmspace. torils moons are now ours. We
have established a trade city in old "calimport" and are making money hand over foot and plus the taxes
for keeping other spelljamming races out of toril are nice. Our technology, magical, and psionic skill all
increased in the war. There are alots more Humanoid psionicist running around now
We are truely a power to be feared.

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Edena_of_Neith
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posted 04-12-2001 05:27 PM

The Psionic Alliance saved Toril, effectively, sacrificing themselves to repair the damage done to the world
by the war.
It was a truly enormous sacrifice.
Millions gave their lives willingly.
Their sacrifice will never be forgotten.

Nor will the Cataclysm of the destruction of the elves be forgotten.
Or the Month of Terror.
Or anything else about the Great War.

Toril is a different world.
The sky is emerald green, the deserts of Calim, Raurin and Anauroch are gone, the Great Glacier, High
Moor, and Isle of Evermeet are gone.
The climate is warmer worldwide - much warmer. Sea ice is not seen south of Luskan even in the heart of
winter. Boreal forests are sprouting in Icewind Dale.
The Humanoid Races are much brighter now (3 to 4 points of Intelligence brighter), they are psionic, and
they are less evil and much more civilized.
The evil illithid are gone, but a good aligned variant, the neoillithid, freely mingle with the surface dwellers
and aid them in rebuilding.
And they do not need to kill anymore. They feed harmlessly on psychic energy.
The Faerie are gone. All of them, fled to their home plane.
The elves are gone. Just gone. Both from Toril and from Realmspace. (A small group exists in hiding in
northern Maztica, and survivors exist in hiding in Zakhara, Kara-Tur, and in isolated places in Realmspace.
A group of elves from Mystara has a centuries long plan to emigrate to Toril, but that has only just
begun.)
Githyanki now live in Realmspace, and scro and githzerai rule wildspace. The scro have become much
more neutral.
Most importantly of all, the Arcane Age has returned to Toril. Any spellcaster can research and cast 10th
and 11th level spells.

The Humanoids and Scro won the biggest victory, perhaps, in this war.
The Githyanki and Gith were winners. Both races now live in Realmspace and on Toril.
The NeoIllithid were winners.
The Kender of Krynn won an enormous victory. They are one of Toril's staple races now.
The Thri-Kreen won too. They are now a staple race of Realmspace, and just showing up on Toril.
The Technomancy emerged through the war, and humans, the surviving dwarves and gnomes, and
humanoids, along with the neoillithid, mingle freely and in peace now throughout it's realm. So it could be
said the Technomancy won.
The Angels created the Isle of Hope, a new center of civilization, from the former Nimbral. So they won a
victory, of sorts.
Zouron's new Halruaa is a victory for mages, and those who would study magecraft.
The Phaerimm won, for they are a free race now.
The Continent of Zakhara won, for they now have spelljammers, technology, and much more magic than
ever before.

The Psionic League lost totally, but they won totally, too.
Bran's druids neither won nor lost. They carry on, for they say, truly, that nature carries ever on, no matter
what happens.
The evil Illithid neither won nor lost, but are temporarily gone from Toril and Realmspace, unable to return
for decades. They still ready their horrible plots.
The Sharn neither won nor lost. They are waiting to see what the Phaerimm do.
The Dragons neither won nor lost, or rather it would be more appropriate to say some dragons won and
some dragons lost.
The Beholders neither won nor lost. They won in that they did not get involved, but they now face great,
united, countries.
The Continent of Kara-Tur neither won nor lost, and wished it could have stayed out of all of this.
The Peoples of the Hordelands neither won nor lost, their brief war against the Technomancy resulting in
no gain. They have returned to their homes.
The Outsiders of Arvandor saved the animal species of Faerun and Toril. They could not keep the Faerie
from leaving, however.

The Elves of Toril and Realmspace lost, totally.
The Druids of Faerun lost, totally.
The Drow lost almost totally. Only a remnant of them remain on Toril, in hiding. In Realmspace, they
remain, in hiding.
The Dwarves and Gnomes lost, a greater part of their number on Toril gone. In Realmspace they remain
in large numbers, however.
The Halflings, lost less severely.
Many of the Nations of Toril, including Calimshan and Waterdeep, lost totally and are in ruins.
Other Nations are dissolved into the Technomancy or into new combined nations (such as Cormyr/The
Dalelands/Cormanthyr under the rule of Shadowdale)
The evil Fiends lost. Toril did not prove the easy pickings they thought it would be.
The Defiliers lost. They thought to use Defiling magic on Toril and get away with it. They thought wrong.
The Faerie lost. They are gone from the world, departed of their own accord, and Toril is much less of a
place for their loss.
The Continent of Maztica lost, due to massive destruction in the Cataclysm.

[This message has been edited by Edena_of_Neith (edited 04-12-2001).]

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Forrester
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posted 04-12-2001 09:49 PM

The humanoids were *never* evil . . . just misunderstood, Edena! We just had to get rid of the elves
before living in peace.

I would also like to state, on behalf of the humanoids, that this nonsense about Toril being "much less of
a place" because the Fae are gone is, well, nonsense. Good riddance to them.

Forrester

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Psionicist
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posted 04-10-2001 12:01 PM

The gnome/industrial revolution thread got me thinking.. Wouldn't it be way cool to play D&D in a hightech
campaign, as in Arcanum (a CRPG)?
"Magic VS Technology", or something. Imagine a dwarf with a shotgun, running around with "heavy
combatarmor" in an old factory..
I REALLY, REALLY like the idea..

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Ku Kullin
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posted 04-10-2001 12:07 PM

I've been trying but I'll be damned if technology doesn't get in my way.

I really, really want some rules for making technological and steampunk devices. I've been trying but the
best I can get is a really ugly, clunky version of the tinker gnome rules.

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Evilboy
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posted 04-10-2001 12:08 PM

There was a Dragon magize rather devoted to the subject recently, but I thought they did a so-so job,
nothing spectacular.

Lesse, a couple RPGs that are set in more of a Victorian setting include the old Masque of the Red Death
(2e Ravenloft), 7th Sea (for better or worse), and, arguably, Planescape .

Its mostly going to be a matter of DM and player style. If the DM isn't willing to give compelling
descriptions and fitting quests, well, then its a dungeon crawl with guns and those fluffy-neck-things. If the
players are against the idea, well, five half-orc barbarians in hide armor at a fancy dinner party, you get
the idea.

Rules-wise, the only things that I really think need inclusion are firearms, and (IMHO) the DMG's rules for
them stink. YMMV by campaign power and level, but I try to ensure that firearms are lethal enough to be
a viable weapon-of-choice, but not so powerful that no other weapon is even worthwhile.

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Psionicist
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posted 04-10-2001 12:17 PM

Good points..

Just htink about all the traps!

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Simplicity
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posted 04-10-2001 12:18 PM

It would be cool, but I'm tired of the
things that assume technology goes
along similar veins to what we figured out
in real life... Steampunk, blackpowder... seen it all before.

It'd be nice if we could think of a different technology in the technology vein.
Magnet based perhaps? Wind based?
Decanter of endless water based?

Or maybe more magically based...
Antimagic/magic reactions?
What's that? Magical flux generators you say? Indeed...
Quantum magic could be fun...

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Karl Green
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posted 04-10-2001 12:31 PM

The new WitchFire and Iron Nation are going along these lines a lot (and I totally love it :O) They have
listed new skills for crafting firearms and the gunpowder of the world (not called gunpowder, and only
alchemist can make it). The talk about Steamjacks (sort of steam powered iron golems... way cool but not
much info) Future parts look really good also.

In my present Greyhawk game I run 30 some years after the Greyhawk wars the Dwarves intro gunpowder
and railroads, the Gnomes zeppelins and balloons and steam powered ships. They are working on
something similar to steam jacks now. Mostly I make it a Heroic Feat to craft different items along with
the skills required. None of my players right now have any as they would rather go out adventuring then
mess with techie stuff (it takes months for more products after all... no factories/assembly lines yet)...

Also check out Castle Falkienstien (sp?) as they have great ideas for 1880's Steam-tech world where
magic exist and Dragons and powerful Faye Lords walk among mankind (I also love the Dwarves of this
world... dwarves are all male and born of a Dwarf and a Faye female. The Faye names the Dwarf and it is
always something sweet and cutie like say Buttercup or something. In order for the Dwarf to take another
name he has to prove himself by inventing something, etc so the whole race is drive to invite just so they
are not called by these names :O)

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BriareosDX
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posted 04-10-2001 12:51 PM

What about biotechnology? In the campaign world I'm oh-so slowly putting together, one human society
trains and breeds giant insects. They breed them for special purposes, like steeds, bugs of burden, or
construction crews. Basically, any application that real world people have devised for trained mammals
they perfom with trained and specially bred giant insects, with several new applications in there as well.
I was thinking of some odd extensions of this, and had a few strange ideas. For example, many insects
use complex chemistry for various purposes, and many hive-insects have members of their hive who
specialize in certain tasks to help the hive as a whole. That generated the idea of "armorer" ants. They
use chemical processes to secrete and form durable body armors for their human masters, possibly even
using chemical and electrical techniques for making strong steel in precise shapes.

Has anyone else tried to work out reasonable biotechnologies for their game world? If you need any
inspirations, I heartily recommend Hiyao Miyazaki's Nauusica manga.

(And yeah, I know that there would be problems with simply scaling up a normal insect. I just assume that
they aren't simply a scaled up version. Add in a basic skeleton and improved chitin, put some evolution
into their breathing systems, and you can get giant bugs that may not be hard science, but are at least
firm science. Or just say it's magic. Spoilsport)

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ColonelHardisson
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posted 04-10-2001 01:01 PM

I really liked the Greyhawk 2000 articles in Dragon and Dungeon recently. Just enough to tantalize. I wish
they'd follow up on it.

I'd use Star Wars d20 equipment as the basis for stuff, and try to "dress it up" with fantasy-based
descriptions. I also have older Gamma World books, such as Treasures of the Ancients, and the
equipment in those books are fairly easy to convert.

By the way, some good ideas can be found in some of the TORG sourcebooks, such as the Cyberpapacy
and Tharkold.

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Mishihari Lord
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posted 04-10-2001 02:11 PM

For a good book with biotech in it, read West of Eden.

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Cyberzombie
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posted 04-10-2001 02:20 PM

I am working on this very topic on my website (follow the link at the end).

Unfortunately, I don't have the time to do this properly. My stuff is coming together very, very slowly.

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JDeMobray
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posted 04-10-2001 02:42 PM

Gurps Steampunk has literally a ton of useful ideas for any sort of industrial revolution era campaign.

Also, someone mentioned Bio-tech as a possible replacement for the usual stuff. The old Spelljammer
setting had a bunch of bio-tech stuff in place already. The elven fleet's ships as well as Spirit Warriors (a
sort of Mecha), Bionoids (Bio-engineered warriors), and Gadabouts (sort of a combination jetpack/survival
gear).

The Orcs/Scro had a bio-magic construct called the Witchlight Marauder which was bascially a big slug that
they dropped on planets, that would then eat everything, breed at a huge rate and eventually wipe out all
life on the world.

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Rincewind
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posted 04-10-2001 07:28 PM

There have been several threads in the Whereabouts forum on this, which I can recomend. Theres also
the 'Mondus Fumus' fan setting, which is steampunk.

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posted 04-10-2001 08:23 PM

If ya wana go a bit farther past simple industral revolution, I recoment checking out ShadowRun from
FASA (er... WizKids).

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Estlor
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posted 04-11-2001 09:04 AM

If you dig out the old Blackmoor adventure moduals (DA1-4), but more specifically, "The City of the
Gods," you'll see a host of "alien devices" (also posted on WotC website).

Based on this if you want high technology you can make them mimic the effects of certain magic items
that fit the description (such as the hand blaster being like a wand of lightning bolt)

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Riot Gear
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posted 04-10-2001 08:28 AM

This is the new thread for my (tentative) idea for a more organized version of the game we're playing. No
real rules, just guidelines for behavior. This is supposed to replace the old thread, but rather, run parallel
to it.

First off, everyone picks a force they command, control, or work as spokesman for. No changing sides! For
example, Forrester is pretty much spoked for as leader of the Humanoids, Phasmus DEFINITELY is the
Illithid, and I've been asigned (somehow) control of the Planeswalkers.

Second, this threads timeline starts exactly two seconds after the Elves shattered the Weave. I can't
remember what the state of the war was back then, so any posts until Edena shows up are just chat.

Third - Edena is god. She can't alter our intentions, but she can make them crumble to dust beneath us or
bring us to new heights of power depending on how sensible or effective are plans are.
After Edena posts, you can post your intentions once. Make it a nice long post, detailed. This is just what
your force is doing. You can't post another command to your forces until Edena resolves the round you
gave your first command in. After the second time Edena posts, you may post again.
Essentially, Edena, you post whenever you want (preferably after at least most of the rulers have posted
their commands) and your posts consist of a summary of what happened that round (Who succeeded, who
failed, and generally set the stage for the next round) and tell how long that round took. Then the next
round begins, and it's in-game length varies depending on what we try to do.
Edena, if someone hasn't posted and you'd like to post, go ahead and take over for them. I can't exactly
stop you or make you, but don't feel held back. You can decide what they'd do.

Well, since I'm the Planewalkers and the first round hasn't even started yet, my followers are all flitting
through their home planes and having adventures.

Game starts on Edena's post. Mark...

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Riot Gear
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posted 04-10-2001 12:45 PM

bump

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Forrester
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posted 04-10-2001 12:59 PM

I think this is a great idea, but I think it'd over Edena to the breaking point! Perhaps after the whole thing
is over . . . ? We can set up some rules and run it like a big game of Diplomacy.

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Edena_of_Neith
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posted 04-10-2001 01:16 PM


Sorry, but I can't do that. I can't post to this Thread and that one.
I'm working just to keep up with that Thread (which is gaining posts at the rate of 1 per 3 minutes!)

However, I do think it'd be a neat idea, if such a scenario were set up using the Diplomacy rules, or even
as an Axis and Allies game. (Risk is too simple to represent things.)

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Riot Gear
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posted 04-10-2001 01:46 PM

Well, we'll leave you alone for now, Edena. We should probably see how the current one ends first. I'll
repost this then.

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Alzem Dalcama
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posted 04-10-2001 02:40 PM

Hey you could also ask piratcat to assist, that way we could all say we played with two of the greates:
Piratecat and Edena_of_Neith


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Edena_of_Neith
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posted 04-10-2001 03:04 PM

Thank you for the compliment, Alzem (sincere look of gratitude.)
However, all I did was ask a simple question:

What would you do if the Gnomes started the Industrial Revolution on Toril ...

But really, thank you for the compliment. I really appreciate it.

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posted 04-10-2001 04:15 PM

That's how it started, but now you're more. Good job.

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posted 04-10-2001 04:56 PM

By the way, I'm embarrased to say I know NOTHING about the realms from a history perspective aside
from the Phaerimm thing, the Sharn, and that Bad Things Happened. Some one clue me in?

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Syklone
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posted 04-10-2001 12:12 AM

ok so if the gnomes do all this stuff and they destroy the world, what would your PC do on the last day
before the world blows up??

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Rincewind
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posted 04-10-2001 12:18 AM

Blow it up first.

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Roland Delacroix
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posted 04-10-2001 12:27 AM

get as many chicks with his wit as posible, not to tough for a charming bard with fascination. Id break the
record. Unfortunatlly im an elf, so the Con score is a little low. Oh well.

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posted 04-10-2001 08:56 AM

Go on an extended vacation to other planes and or worlds.

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posted 04-10-2001 09:07 AM

Roland took my answer

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Zog
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posted 04-10-2001 09:07 AM

Kill the gnomes.

Then

Leave.



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Wippit Guud
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posted 04-10-2001 09:31 AM

I wish gnomes were incapable of blowing up the world.


Hmmm... that didn't work...

Ok...

I wish I was an Oscar Meyer weiner...

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posted 04-10-2001 09:42 AM

As I did in the thread where the Gnomes nearly destroyed the world, I go plane hopping.

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Teflon Billy
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posted 04-11-2001 06:43 PM

Man, I can't how obscured everything is by the Gnomes/Industrial Revolution/Panteon stuff.

I mean, this was always mroe of an opinion board than a "hard content" one, but come on!

Is there any way to get a "board based roleplay" board going...a'la Story Hour?

Cause that would go along way towards improving things.

Thanks

--Teflon Billy---

PS. I see in the grand tradition of long threads, Edena of Neith has elected to start a new one, rather than
post on the existing one

Well, at least we have traditions

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Ian the Mad
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posted 04-11-2001 06:51 PM

Barring severe irregularities, there's only one Pantheon-leadership-sanctioned thread running at a time.
When we're done with it, it goes to the archives. Any peripheral spillover silliness is completely incidental.

There's just an overly high concentration of these Industrial Revolution-roleplay threads running around
due to recent badness with Gamespy's message board servers. I'm sure that if you give it another couple
of days, the chaff, as you refer to it, will probably consolidate itself...

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AZRogue
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posted 04-11-2001 06:54 PM

I vote we make a new board and move all the serious people there. They keep getting in the way of my
pantheon threads!!! This is a problem that must be addressed. :P

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GeneralHardisson
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posted 04-11-2001 07:11 PM


quote:

Originally posted by Teflon Billy:
Man, I can't how obscured everything is by the Gnomes/Industrial Revolution/Panteon
stuff.

I mean, this was always mroe of an opinion board than a "hard content" one, but come on!

Is there any way to get a "board based roleplay" board going...a'la Story Hour?

Cause that would go along way towards improving things.

Thanks

--Teflon Billy---

PS. I see in the grand tradition of long threads, Edena of Neith has elected to start a new
one, rather than post on the existing one

Well, at least we have traditions


Check out the thread "Not A Test - Please Read."

I'm fleeing the field of battle on this one; they're taking such suggestions personally.

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Sacred Cow
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posted 04-11-2001 07:15 PM

... and once again another thread is created too speak up against the creation of threads...


And the winner is...
... not TB.

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GeneralHardisson
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posted 04-11-2001 07:22 PM


quote:

Originally posted by Sacred Cow:
... and once again another thread is created too speak up against the creation of threads...


And the winner is...
... not TB.



I think that's unfair. No one is advocating that these threads not be started. I mean, once upon a time
Piratecat's Story Hour was on the main board...that good sir saw thte wisdom in giving it a forum of its own
where it could grow unfettered...

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Sacred Cow
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posted 04-11-2001 07:27 PM

Damn! Gotta change my sig!

And never, ever make the mistake of taking me too serious again!

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DarwinofMind
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posted 04-11-2001 07:27 PM


quote:

Originally posted by Teflon Billy:

PS. I see in the grand tradition of long threads, Edena of Neith has elected to start a new
one, rather than post on the existing one


Oh, Yes, TB, you have such a good complaint there, I'll keep that in mind, Next time we won't start a new
thread, We'll just keep going in one thread till we get up to the 21page limit and crash the boards.

Your a genius, how could we ever live without your suggestions.

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GeneralHardisson
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posted 04-11-2001 07:31 PM


quote:

Originally posted by DarwinofMind:
Oh, Yes, TB, you have such a good complaint there, I'll keep that in mind, Next time we
won't start a new thread, We'll just keep going in one thread till we get up to the 21page
limit and crash the boards.

Your a genius, how could we ever live without your suggestions.



I think you're misreading Teflon Billy...he doesn't mean anything personally, it seems to me. Being
insulting is also unfair.

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Psion
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posted 04-11-2001 07:31 PM

Repeated from the please read thread:

I'll throw in my two cents.

While I do usually just step around the, ahem, babble (sorry guys, great fun, just don't have sufficient
time or interest) splitting RPG forums into IC and OOC forums is a simple common sense move that
declutters things and makes both types more readable. I really don't think the knee-jerk defensiveness
on the issue is warranted.

So you have my support.

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DarwinofMind
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posted 04-11-2001 07:50 PM

But it will never be used properly. for instance the Industrail Revolution thread started as something that
completely belong in here, and had nothing to do with roleplay, But it was rapidly devoloping into a flame
war, and for some reason we fought it out with a fun and thought provoking roleplay than with flames and
insults.

Where would you have started a thread like that? You wouldn't have anyway of knowing it was going to be
IC.... See, this is the point of General, it's General, anything can fit here, That way the thread can change
and it still belongs here.

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AZRogue
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posted 04-11-2001 07:52 PM

OK, sorry if I'm being defensive. It's just that I think if we split the boards too much it will hurt us all. Not
everyone has the time to go to each and every forum. The Pantheon, because of it's place, has recieved a
lot of great new members since its beginning. Members that might not have ever noticed the threads if
they were in a different forum. They are fun, and generally give people a good laugh. You can only talk
about serious things so much. And I think the Cow is right (for once). The Pantheon is usually confined to
one thread. It's other threads like these that really clutter things (though I don't think of them as clutter
either. They're also part of the reason I come here). Part of the General Discussion forum's appeal is that,
when I come here, I never know what's going to be here.

My thoughts!

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King_Stannis
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posted 04-11-2001 10:24 PM


quote:

Originally posted by DarwinofMind:
Oh, Yes, TB, you have such a good complaint there, I'll keep that in mind, Next time we
won't start a new thread, We'll just keep going in one thread till we get up to the 21page
limit and crash the boards.

Your a genius, how could we ever live without your suggestions.



and people call me a troll?

for the record, i'm glad i'm not the only one who thinks these gnome-industrial- revolution threads are
cluttering up the boards.

my opinion, that they are stupid, is irrelevent. however, today all you could see was "what happened to
our gnome industri...blah, blah blah...." threads.
it really was getting out of hand, and made for a very sub-par day of new threads.

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DarwinofMind
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posted 04-11-2001 11:21 PM

Well, lets see, imagine a thread on ummm anything you pick, lets say its a thread where some WOTC
employee has just given spoilers about a new book and there is a good discussion going on about it,

Now, lets imagine the server crash whips that thread off the face of the map.

Any thread that just disappears is going to raise some alarm.

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Teflon Billy
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posted 04-12-2001 01:41 AM


quote:

Originally posted by DarwinofMind:
Oh, Yes, TB, you have such a good complaint there, I'll keep that in mind, Next time we
won't start a new thread, We'll just keep going in one thread till we get up to the 21page
limit and crash the boards.

Your a genius, how could we ever live without your suggestions.




????

Suck me you snide little ****. I posted a light little piece about a poster (whom I consider quite
entertaining) and one of his noted habits. It wasn't a flame. It was a friendly "dig".

Then this.

*middle finger*

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imperialus
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posted 04-12-2001 01:51 AM

I'd post on that sort of stuff if I had time but since I don't I just don't click on it.

I guess basically what you are saying is you want Eric to go to the trouble of createing a new board,
assigning moderators, and makeing sure it doesn't get out of hand just so you can avoid... clicking on a
thread? Hardly seems fair does it?

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Wizbane
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posted 04-12-2001 01:56 AM


quote:

Originally posted by Sacred Cow:
Damn! Gotta change my sig!



I suggest a cow in bikini. A naked cow may offend the sensibility of some people.

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DarwinofMind
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posted 04-12-2001 02:12 AM


quote:

Originally posted by Teflon Billy:

????

Suck me you snide little ****. I posted a light little piece about a poster (whom I consider
quite entertaining) and one of his noted habits. It wasn't a flame. It was a friendly "dig".

Then this.

*middle finger*



I want to say to you billy that I'm sorry, I was in a bad mood from everyone insulting us, and I got very
defensive. I even insulted some very good freinds this morning and had to appologize, I read this thread
and I just saw one more person complain about how we didn't belong and that looked like a flame, and it
seemed so backwards that my impluse was to flame back. I'm sorry.

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Bran Blackbyrd
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posted 04-12-2001 02:15 AM


quote:

Originally posted by Wizbane:
I suggest a cow in bikini. A naked cow may offend the sensibility of some people.



I am offended that you assume anyone here has sensibility!
Seriously, a thread that a lot of people had put a lot of time and effort into was suddenly (more or less)
wiped out. So there were a rash of posts about what happened, and a post or two by people who wanted to
know what the thread was about. I don't see where the harm is. Some days I get tired of seeing the word
pantheon on this board, but it doesn't bother me enough that I feel the need to (as my friend Dave might
say) poop all over their parade.

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Teflon Billy
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posted 04-12-2001 04:43 AM


quote:

Originally posted by DarwinofMind:

I want to say to you billy that I'm sorry...



Apology accepted with no hard feelings

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Teflon Billy
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posted 04-12-2001 02:34 PM

.

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Enkhidu
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posted 04-12-2001 03:24 PM

If I may interject...

I think a big thing that is getting left out of this conversation is that we have absolutely NO control over
what is posted here. Only the owner of the board (in other words, Eric) and his selected deputies do.

I look at it this way: I believe that certain television shows (let's say for the sake of argument... Survivor)
are tripe. Other people, however, feel that that show is very worthwhile and get caught up in it quite
readily. Does that make them wrong? Does it make it wrong for that show to be on the air? In both cases,
I would have to say no (though I personally believe they are in bad taste).

If I don't want to watch the show,I turn the channel. If I don't want to read a thread (and trust me, there
are quite a few that I've skipped), I simply don't click on it.

There is enough room on the board for all of us - and by the way Eric, thank you for making it so.

{Edited for Grammar}

Enkhidu

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Psion
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posted 04-12-2001 03:36 PM


quote:

Originally posted by Enkhidu:
If I may interject...

I think a big thing that is getting left out of this conversation is that we have absolutely
NO control over what is posted here. Only the owner of the board (in other words, Eric)
and his selected deputies do.



Your absolutely right. However, the only reason I air my concerns is so I can be counted among those who
find it problematic, in the hopes that the powers-that-be sit up and take notice and make a TIC forum.

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Enkhidu
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posted 04-12-2001 03:43 PM


quote:

Originally posted by Psion:
Your absolutely right. However, the only reason I air my concerns is so I can be counted
among those who find it problematic, in the hopes that the powers-that-be sit up and take
notice and make a TIC forum.



And for that I appluad you (after all, following my previous example, we should have our version of the
Neilson ratings too!).

And by the way, please don't take offense if my tone came off poorly. I wasn't one of the big posters on
the thread(s) in question, but did enjoy them, and I just don't take kindly to being called, ugh, chaff
(though I do realize that that did not come from you, Psion).

Enkhidu

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Teflon Billy
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posted 04-12-2001 09:57 PM

I wan't using the word chaff to desribe any of the posters. I was using it to describe the number of similar
threads.

That is, I wasn't using the term meaning the "throw away" part of a kernel of grain, I was using it to
describe the cloud of tinfoil fragments used to screw up RADAR's ability to spot objects.

Sorry, English is an imperfect language

I can well understand your concern since the "Grain Waste Product" definition is far and away the more
common one.

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CharwomanGene
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posted 04-11-2001 09:47 AM


So the Pantheon wasn't enough, we needed another IC uberthread?

I wonder what would happen if the Pantheon interfered in the industrial war.

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"Two great tastes that taste great together?"

Nah - I don't think so. Scary concept, though.

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ColonelHardisson
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posted 04-11-2001 10:12 AM

"You got Pantheon in my Industrial Revolution!"

"You got Industrial Revolution in my Pantheon!"

If this keeps up, it'll be the "General Discussion Forum - If By General Discussion You Mean
Role-Playing By Messge Board."

I don't want new forums any more than the next guy, but maybe these rather specialized threads
deserve a place of their own? They do tend to crowd out less robust but more immediate threads
asking questions.

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Lordnightshade
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posted 04-11-2001 10:50 AM

I would like to second the vote to have the Pantheon and Industrial War threads moved to their own
Discussion board role playing forum. I don't really have much interest in these threads and they
seem to greatly overshadow the threads I really care about (Questions, Advice, etc.) So what say
you Eric?

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illithidkid
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posted 04-11-2001 10:53 AM

IM SICK OF SEEING THE GNOME THREAD.

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Sigma
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posted 04-11-2001 11:15 AM


Simple solution:

DON'T CLICK ON THE INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION OR PANTHEON THREADS

Sheesh. I don't want to see another thread about paladin's alignment or whether or not the sorcerer
is overpowered or if the ranger and half-orc got the shaft. But I'm not going to ask Eric to make a
special message bored for tired and lame threads.

The pantheon are part and parcel of the EN experience. I'm not a particpant, I don't read their
threads, but by golly they were here first and they're Eric's friends. Seeing as how it's Eric's board, I
think they've got as much right to post about random pantheon things as we do to post about
whether or not paladins can kill baby orcs.

Sorry to flame, but sheesh.

Sigma

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posted 04-11-2001 02:26 PM

Another reason why sigma is my favourite greek letter!

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Bran Blackbyrd
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posted 04-11-2001 02:32 PM

It must be rough coming onto the board and seeing those two industrial threads. I sincerely
apologize for the part I played in them.
Or not.
What's the big deal? People post stupid crap anyday but apparently the gnome thread is the only
one that draws your ire? Is it because it's such a large thread? If you don't click on it, what's the
problem?
Pfft.

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CharwomanGene
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posted 04-11-2001 02:33 PM

I am allowed to pantheon bash all I freaking want!
I created it.

I wasn't really complaining, although I think A Dave may have sabotaged the gnome thread.

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Bran Blackbyrd
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posted 04-11-2001 02:34 PM

Besides. Toril's in ruins, I think the thread is winding down.

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DarwinofMind
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posted 04-11-2001 02:36 PM

You didn't have to read it if you didn't want to, it was fun, we enjoyed it and it wasn't a new
pantheon, It was nothing like the pantheon, And don't worry UBB destroyed it, it's overnow, so go
find something else to complain about, you could tell us how lame half-orcs are again or someone
could post a new ranger,

That would be sooo much better then the IR thread.

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ColonelHardisson
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posted 04-11-2001 05:39 PM

IT'S NOT A MATTER OF HAVING TO READ THEM, IT'S A MATTER OF THEM SHOVING OTHER THREADS
OFF THE FIRST PAGE BEFORE THEY GET A CHANCE TO BE READ AND RESPONDED TOO!!!

Could I be any more explicit???

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Kesh
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posted 04-11-2001 05:52 PM

Colonel, every thread does that to the rest, especially the other OT ones. Besides which, most
Pantheon threads (and the IR one) last for a long time on a single thread, so it's just one topic that
bounces up and down the front page until it's locked and a new one shows up.

I don't see that they really hurt anything that much. Besides which, the IR thread wasn't intended to
turn into that... Edna just posted a hypothetical question, and after a while it took on a
Pantheon-esque life of its own...

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Sacred Cow
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posted 04-11-2001 05:56 PM

There was once a game called "Sigma 7" on the Commodore 64. Does anyone remember it?

Anyway, all I can say is: Yo, Sigma, preach on, brother! Those Pantheon and Steampunk threads
hurt no one. Plus, if it is done the way it´s intended this means that there are two (meaning: 2)
threads that push down other stuff.

Threads like this one which are about the Pantheon or the industrial Revolution are the ones that
really multiply and flood the board.

But I would like to use this opportunity to congratulate Edena on this new place he created. It gives
people who don´t like the concept of the Pantheon the opportunity to do some role playing here on
the board, without joining up the Pantheon.

Colonel- by answering to this thread, you pushed some other thread to the next page. You are
aware of it, aren´t you?

By participating in either the Pantheon or the Industrial Revolution threads, you would have merely
participated in two threads which float on the top anyway.

This "floating" means that the number of other threads shown is lessened by a total of two. So it
can hardly be said that they would be shoving other threads of the board before they can be read.

This "shoving" is only done by a high number of threads being created. Like all those "I don´t like
the Pantheon/Steam Punk" threads, for instance.

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Blood Jester
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posted 04-11-2001 06:14 PM

As a participant in the Industrial Wars, I would like to offer this.

There has been much talk lately about the loss of civility and community on these boards. Now a
bunch of total strangers (I have NO clue about the other participants in that thread) got together
and HAD FUN!!! In D&D role-playing style no less. (Kinda on topic, huh.) It was all very
spontaneous, and it seems that Edena tried to incorporate everyone who showed up wanting to
contribute.

I made new friends, even with my 'enemies' and even if we will never meet. We posted over, oh
600-700 times without being nasty or flaming. Is that what upsets people? That we didn't act like
children? I thought we had a great experiment in getting together in a friendly, social, gaming
community, and I apologize for offending anyone by doing so.

To be honest, I have never had a clue what the pantheon was about, and although I felt 'left out' I
never made a scene about it, and simply left those threads to their participants. No muss, no fuss.

Also, I can't possibly keep up with the pace set in the Industrial Wars threads, so I doubt I will ever
get the chance to be a part of something like that again, (which is too bad since I truly had a blast
thanks again to everyone involved, especially Edena).

We lived up to the spirit of the boards, what did we do wrong?

Blood Jester

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AZRogue
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posted 04-11-2001 06:23 PM

The Pantheon (and the new one too, from what I can see) threads are just fun. There shouldn't be
more then one active at a time anyway so they aren't "pushing threads" onto the second page too
much.

Using that arguement, I can't stand "Shaft" threads. Not even a little. Do I beg Eric to move them to
another Forum for pushing other threads off the page? Some of those Shaft threads get pretty large
too, and don't inspire nearly as much good will.

To each his own, I say. Leave the pantheon/gnome revoloution threads alone, and I won't petition
to get rid of your "shaft/DnD opinion threads. As for rule questions, there's already a forum for
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Bozidar
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posted 04-11-2001 06:26 PM


quote:

Originally posted by ColonelHardisson:
Could I be any more explicit???


Perhaps not, but maybe you could ask Dragoth The Destroyer to help you make it more politically
correct, and polite? Just a suggestion


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Psion
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posted 04-11-2001 07:29 PM

I'll throw in my two cents.

While I do usually just step around the, ahem, babble (sorry guys, great fun, just don't have
sufficient time or interest) splitting RPG forums into IC and OOC forums is a simple common sense
move that declutters things and makes both types more readable. I really don't think the knee-jerk
defensiveness on the issue is warranted.

So you have my support.

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CreativeMountain
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posted 04-11-2001 07:34 PM


quote:

Originally posted by Sacred Cow:
Those Pantheon and Steampunk threads hurt no one. Plus, if it is done the way it´s
intended this means that there are two (meaning: 2) threads that push down other
stuff.

Threads like this one which are about the Pantheon or the industrial Revolution are
the ones that really multiply and flood the board.

But I would like to use this opportunity to congratulate Edena on this new place he
created. It gives people who don´t like the concept of the Pantheon the opportunity
to do some role playing here on the board, without joining up the Pantheon.

...

This "shoving" is only done by a high number of threads being created. Like all those
"I don´t like the Pantheon/Steam Punk" threads, for instance.



All valid points. As are the points made by the good Colonel Hardisson.

(begin edit)

Aha! The obvious solution would be to begin a separate "Forum for Interactive Stories".

Why would this work?

1. There would be a place for the continuous threads that often push other "General" topics down
the list before they can be addressed.

2. Other threads would not be started protesting the "Interactive Story" threads thus no longer
driving "General" topic threads even further down the boards.

The "Pantheon", the "Industrial Revolution", (etal) hurt no one, truth. They are fun and interesting
to read (and participate) when the mood is right. But...

They are not "General" and are no longer incidental or rare. They are a fixture to Eric's site that
deserve their own forum.

There, no one will complain about them. There, they will no longer be viewed as "driving other topics
off the first page". There they will prosper and thrive!

Such a simple solution and I was the absolute first one to think of it! I claim this idea as my own
and demand that when it is implemented I receive full and singular credit!

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DarwinofMind
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posted 04-11-2001 07:56 PM

Reposted from the other thread complaining about the same topic. She the complaint are the real
damage, all the complaint including shaft posts.

A Roleplay forum is a good idea ...."
But it will never be used properly. for instance the Industrail Revolution thread started as something
that completely belong in here, and had nothing to do with roleplay, But it was rapidly devoloping
into a flame war, and for some reason we fought it out with a fun and thought provoking roleplay
than with flames and insults.

Where would you have started a thread like that? You wouldn't have anyway of knowing it was going
to be IC.... See, this is the point of General, it's General, anything can fit here, That way the thread
can change and it still belongs here."

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Mishihari Lord
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posted 04-11-2001 08:13 PM

I'm all for keeping the pantheon and similar threads here in the general boards. Why? It keeps lots
of people who are knowledgable about the rules and role-playing games in general involved. If
they're posting here, maybe they'll notice _your_ thread and post a constructive comments. If they
spend all their time on a seperate board they won't see your "serious" questions and comments. It
really helps keep the community together.

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maddman75
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posted 04-11-2001 09:07 PM

I have to argue to keep the IC thread in the main board. I for one wouldn't peruse a IC board. I
wouldn't have ever entered the war if it were segregated to another board, and I have to say it was
one of the most entertaining things I've ever been involved in.

PS - so quit your moaning, or I'll send my machine gun toting devils after you

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CreativeMountain
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posted 04-11-2001 10:55 PM

Not that it matters to me much either way. Keep the threads where they are most wanted.

Personally I just saw a lot of complaining and the subsequent complaining about the complaining
(etc., ad infinitum). I guess we all just have to agree (and Eric will do as he likes in any event) that
they will have their own forum or they will not.

If they move, it ends the complaints. If they stay, so do the complaints...I suppose. Surely it is
someone's right to complain (if it is done in a civil manner and without personal attacks) as much as
it is the right of someone to have those threads exist and post to them. Just as it is the right of the
people involved in the threads of which there are complaints to respond to those complaints. Again
this too should be done in a civil and friendly manner.

I suppose it would be my recommendation for everyone to look over their posts and be sure they
are not complaining uncivilly, taking complaints to seriously and/or responding in a less than
friendly manner.

I just hope that everyone is enjoying themselves.

My two for what it is worth.

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TheShadowOfMyFormerSelf
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posted 04-12-2001 02:19 AM


quote:

Originally posted by Sigma:
Sheesh. I don't want to see another thread about paladin's alignment or whether or
not the sorcerer is overpowered or if the ranger and half-orc got the shaft. But I'm
not going to ask Eric to make a special message bored for tired and lame threads.


Maybe you should stop visiting the General Forum, then; it's full of those blasted things and I don't
think this will change any time soon.

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Psion
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posted 04-12-2001 09:25 AM


quote:

Originally posted by TheShadowOfMyFormerSelf:
Maybe you should stop visiting the General Forum, then; it's full of those blasted
things and I don't think this will change any time soon.


Well, we are trying to see what we can do about that.

For all the oldtimers, did rules start out as a separate forum, or was it the same forum at one time?

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The Traveler
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posted 04-12-2001 09:31 AM

The problem isn't the one to two threads that are Pantheon or Gnomish Nuclear Armageddon at any given
point. The problem is the twenty or so threads asking "What's the [Pantheon/Gnomish Blitzkrieg]", saying "I
hate the [Pantheon/Gnomish Hamster Tanks]", and "We should have a [Pantheon/Gnomish War Turnips]
forum".

How many people use threads to roleplay? Only two groups I can see. Would that be enough to fill a forum?
I don't think so...

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posted 04-12-2001 09:33 AM


quote:

Originally posted by Psion:
For all the oldtimers, did rules start out as a separate forum, or was it the same forum at one
time?


It was the same forum for a long time. The speed in which rules disappeared off the page necessitated a
different forum, though.

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Kwalish Kid
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posted 04-12-2001 09:49 AM

Ah, yes, I remember the great purge of... was that this year?

Yes the Rules board was part of general discussion.

I think, to make Colenel "I'm the real Gary Gygax" Hardisson happy, we should start a board called "Off
Topic Thread Discussion", where we can all go to discuss the off-topic threads.

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GeneralHardisson
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posted 04-12-2001 10:51 AM


quote:

Originally posted by Kwalish Kid:
Ah, yes, I remember the great purge of... was that this year?

Yes the Rules board was part of general discussion.

I think, to make Colenel "I'm the real Gary Gygax" Hardisson happy, we should start a board
called "Off Topic Thread Discussion", where we can all go to discuss the off-topic threads.



How is it that Charwoman Gene and Teflon Billy start the threads, but somehow I become the focus of the
ire?

Also, it wasn't all the "I hate these threads" threads that caused the problem - it was all the myriad NEW
threads started about the Industrial Revolution in FR, and the ones thanking each other for a great thread.
Either people weren't paying attention, or just HAD to have their name on the "main" IR thread...

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GeneralHardisson
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posted 04-12-2001 10:55 AM

BTW, I changed my handle because of this "who's Gary Gygax?" thing. I have tried to clear up the confusion
wherever I saw it. However, even though I don't feel it's entirely fair to have to do it, I decided I might as
well change the damned handle once and for all.

It's not like I've been using it for quite a while or anything.

Oh. Wait. I have.

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GeneralHardisson
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posted 04-12-2001 12:54 PM

YES! I have won the argument! My perfect sense of what is and isn't correct has so flummoxed everyone
that they were unable to reply, blasted by the light of perfect reason!

Must've been when I pointed out I wasn't the one who started these threads.

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Kwalish Kid
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posted 04-12-2001 01:49 PM

I hope you can hold on to that battlefield promotion, Hardisson. From where I'm looking, you're due for a
dressing down.

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Blood Jester
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posted 04-12-2001 03:15 PM


quote:

Originally posted by Psion:
I'll throw in my two cents.

While I do usually just step around the, ahem, babble (sorry guys, great fun, just don't have
sufficient time or interest) splitting RPG forums into IC and OOC forums is a simple common
sense move that declutters things and makes both types more readable. I really don't think
the knee-jerk defensiveness on the issue is warranted.

So you have my support.


Two points:

1) A politely worded response to a strongly stated opinion that relates directly to oneself is not 'knee-jerk'
anything.

2) The 'shouted' (i.e. all caps) statements by illithidkid and the-poster-formerly-known-as-ColonelHardisson
seemed in need of a response.

Thank you.

Blood Jester

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GeneralHardisson
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posted 04-12-2001 03:32 PM

Blood Jester -
I wouldn't have used all caps if people hadn't kept acting as though I was saying the threads should never
be started. People seem to read what they want to read; I second someone's thoughts about something,
and in addition offer an innocuous suggestion, and suddenly people act as though I was wanting to shut
down everything they wanted to do. If there had been any real evidence that others had actually read what
was written by me and not gotten defensive BEFORE my all-caps post, then I wouldn't have posted all-caps.

And I changed the handle because the confusion between Col_Pladoh and ColonelHardisson was getting
ridiculous.

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Cyberzombie
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posted 04-12-2001 03:56 PM

First off -- this is not a response to you, Hardison, so don't get upset on me.

You can try to push us off the General Discussion. But ya won't succeed. We'll just come back and hijack all
your threads and turn them into ROLEPLAYING THREADS. Heh heh heh. None of you will be able to stand it.
Oh yes, I know how much all of you hate roleplaying. Can't stand the stuff.

Well, tough! All of y'all may be anti-roleplaying, but we're going to do it anyway.

So there.

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