Iron Bands of Bilarro and Coup de Grace?
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derelictjay
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I would say yes, as the Iron Bands, literally wrap the character up in them. Its not a cage where they can dodge the strike. The best you could do is roll around, and that could be easily handled by the person making a coup de grace.
Patryn of Elvenshae
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The target is "held immobile."
I'd imagine that this works similar to paralysis which does render someone helpless.
Alternatively, you could rule it as an entaglement effect, meaning they cannot move, and are treated as having a Dex penalty.
I'd imagine that this works similar to paralysis which does render someone helpless.
Alternatively, you could rule it as an entaglement effect, meaning they cannot move, and are treated as having a Dex penalty.
MerakSpielman
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If the target is capable in any way of responding to your attack, even such a simple motion as turning their head or rolling would be enough to not be "helpless" per the rules. Helpless is a very specific condition and very few situations grant it.
After looking up the definition of "helpless", I was going to say 'yes, of course'. But then I noticed the definition of "pinned": Held immobile (but not helpless) in a grapple.Arravis said:
I'm still going to go with "yes", because you break free from the bands much the same way as if you were bound (=helpless), and not with a grapple check.
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