IRON GOLEM vs WALL OF FORCE

[DrBuho]

Hi friends, my question is simple one, but in my group (party) we have not been able to clarify... Can a Wall of Force spell cast by a 7th level caster retain an Iron Golem? By the rules on Monster manual (3 and 3.5) the golem is immune to magic spells, but in this case the magic is not cast against the golem itself, but on a surface around it. The Wall of Force description is null on this respect, it say nothing material can pass through it, or in the worst case it will need a colossal strength to attempt braking it... So in theory we have two scenarios, one, the golem cannot pass the wall of force or two it can pass as if it didn't exist (as it it immune to magic)... So we need some light on this problem... which scenario is correct?

Thnks.

 

[Herobizkit]

Iron Golem:

Immunity to Magic (Ex): An iron golem is immune to any spell or spell-like ability that allows spell resistance.

Wall of Iron:

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Once the wall is created, it is a real, tangible Wall and not a magical construct. Therefore, the golem has to punch his way out like any other poor schmo who gets stuck behind one.

If you push it over on top of him, he still gets his DR against it... but he has a much better chance of pushing it over on you, or even removing himself from under it.

 

[Nikosandros]

The OP was actually asking about Wall of Force, which is not an actual wall since it's an evocation and not a conjuration like Wall of Iron. However, Wall of Force does not allow spell resistance, so the golem isn't immune to that either.

 

[Dwimmerlied]

Wall of Force does not allow spell resistance, so the golem isn't immune to that either.

Beat me to it. I'll also add that Wall of Force also has a duration of instantaneous; the magic used to create it is there for a split second and then gone. The wall of force itself has already been generated and isn't magical, RAW (though I wonder what non magical ongoing condition can maintain such a force....)

 

[DrBuho]

Thanks for your answers Dwim, Niko and Hero. On the party which I am playing now, I considered this option valid, so the Iron Golem would be trapped and we can run away as far as possible from it ... Now let's hope our DM agrees...

 

[Sage Genesis]

I'll also add that Wall of Force also has a duration of instantaneous; the magic used to create it is there for a split second and then gone. The wall of force itself has already been generated and isn't magical, RAW (though I wonder what non magical ongoing condition can maintain such a force....)

No, that's Wall of Iron you're thinking of. Wall of Force lasts 1 round per level.

edit:
Also, it's perhaps pertinent to note that in AD&D the situation was the opposite. In fact, walking through a Wall of Force is literally an example from the 2e PHB. Perhaps your DM is old school and remembers how it was.

 

[frankthedm]

Can a Wall of Force spell cast by a 7th level caster retain an Iron Golem?

What 7th level caster gets Wall of Force? It is normally a 5th level spell, needing a wizard of 9th level or sorcerer of 10th level.

but on a surface around it.

No, Wall of force is a flat, verticle unbroken plane. If you tried to cast it on the golem, you wasted the spell. No SR needed. You placed your spell where the spell told you not to place it.

The caster can form the wall into a flat, vertical plane whose area is up to one 10-foot square per level. The wall must be continuous and unbroken when formed. If its surface is broken by any object or creature, the spell fails.

 

[Dwimmerlied]

What 7th level caster gets Wall of Force? It is normally a 5th level spell, needing a wizard of 9th level or sorcerer of 10th level..

Could be a scroll

No, Wall of force is a flat, verticle unbroken plane. If you tried to cast it on the golem, you wasted the spell. No SR needed. You placed your spell where the spell told you not to place it.

I read the query as the party using this to trap the Golem by creating a wall. I think the OP was asking because if the wall was created or sustained by magic, there might be some doubt as to whether it could stop a golem

 

[Dwimmerlied]

No, that's Wall of Iron you're thinking of. Wall of Force lasts 1 round per level.

True. Not sure how I misread that. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Sage Genesis]

True. Not sure how I misread that. Thanks for clarifying.

There's been a lot of Iron/Force mixups here. It's only natural.