Iron Man vs. Thor

[Bullgrit]

In the Avengers movie, did the fight between Iron Man and Thor go as you would have imagined such a battle would go?

How about the Captain American vs. Loki fight?

And the Hulk vs. Loki . . . "fight"?

Bullgrit

 

[Cor Azer]

Even without having seen the movie, I can guarantee they didn't go as I would have scripted them.

That's not to say they are good, nor mine better, but different? Certainly.

That's both the beauty and blemish on superhero team ups - writers have favorites

 

[Desdichado]

As do fans. I don't know that I had a preconcieved notion of what would happen, but I thought it all went fairly well.

You also missed the Hulk vs. Thor stuff, which also went pretty much as I'd have expected.

It is a challenge when you've got, on one side, guys like Iron Man, Hulk and Thor, and on the other side, Captain America, Black Widow, Nick Fury, and Hawkeye. I mean, I know that the Avengers has kinda always been like that, but its a little hard to make challenges for such a diverse team seem challenging for the first group without being completely overwhelming for the second, or challenging for the second without being a complete cakewalk for the first.

 

[Spatula]

Well, I thought the movie did a really good job of that. In the big action scenes, there are HUGE threats for the super-humans, and smaller-scale stuff for the humans to deal with. In an RPG context, it's a bit trickier because you have to count on players to self-select the proper threats, as opposed to the big guns just taking out all the threats.

I don't know that if I wrote a Thor vs Iron Man scene that it would be exactly the same as the movie's, but I thought the movie's scene was true to the capabilities of the characters.

 

[Ebon Shar]

I don't know that if I wrote a Thor vs Iron Man scene that it would be exactly the same as the movie's, but I thought the movie's scene was true to the capabilities of the characters.

Given that neither was trying to kill or seriously hurt the other, it was more of a sparring session. Had Thor been trying to finish Iron Man, my feeling is the fight would not last long. As it was, it was fun seeing them duke it out. Thor vs. Hulk would have been far more entertaining had they let it continue in the movie. If I remember the comic right, the only real way to beat the Hulk is to calm him down, so Thor probably would have ended up losing a straight up slug-fest.

 

[Tonguez]

Given that neither was trying to kill or seriously hurt the other, it was more of a sparring session. Had Thor been trying to finish Iron Man, my feeling is the fight would not last long. As it was, it was fun seeing them duke it out. Thor vs. Hulk would have been far more entertaining had they let it continue in the movie. If I remember the comic right, the only real way to beat the Hulk is to calm him down, so Thor probably would have ended up losing a straight up slug-fest.

The Hulk defeated the Bi-beast whereas Thor couldn't. I remember an Avengers issue in which Thor comments on the pure beastial power of Hulk and whether he could ever match it...

As to OP I liked the match ups, I'm not a fanboy so didn't have a preconcieved ideal but I agree with Hobo's assessment...

 

[wingsandsword]

The thing about the Iron Man vs. Thor fight was Thor made the big mistake of using lightning on Iron Man, so while neither one was really trying to hurt the other, Iron Man's suit basically was more powerful than usual. (I honestly thought that was going to be a Chekhov's Gun in the finale, using that to supercharge his suit for the battle with the Chitauri)

Remember that it's been heavily implied that the arc reactor technology was invented by Howard Stark trying to reverse engineer the Tesseract (Tony's fathers notes in Iron Man II really heavily hint at this). So. . .the Iron Man suit is based on an Earth knock-off of Asgardian technology.

That's why Thor's Lightning supercharged his suit, it was compatible. It's probably also why Loki couldn't Charm Person (or whatever) Tony, interference from the reactor (again hinted at the little "tink" sound when Loki tried to charm Stark)

Oh, and as for Hulk vs. Loki, yeah, about what you'd expect. Pretty much nobody takes on the Hulk in a straight up melee fight and wins. Thor could hold his own for a while, but Thor wasn't trying to kill him, just incapacitate him or calm him down.

 

[Nellisir]

It's probably also why Loki couldn't Charm Person (or whatever) Tony, interference from the reactor (again hinted at the little "tink" sound when Loki tried to charm Stark)

I assumed that was because Loki wasn't touching Stark's flesh. The "tink" was his staff tapping on the arc cover.

 

[Nellisir]

I thought the power levels made sense. Captain America was tougher than BW & Hawkeye. Iron Man was tougher than CA. Iron Man held his own against Thor for a little while, but was taking significant damage while Thor was only getting bruised. Thor could hold his own against the Hulk, but the Hulk was stronger and healed faster.

Hulk vs BW? BW ran like hell.

I wouldn't call what happened between Hulk & Loki a "fight" anymore than I would the "bout" between Captain America and the punching bag.

 

[Umbran]

So. . .the Iron Man suit is based on an Earth knock-off of Asgardian technology.

Depending how closely they adhere to the comics, the Tesseract is not Asgardian technology. It is a renamed "Cosmic Cube" - renamed to avoid the cheese factor, I assume.

In the Marvel universe, several civilizations have created Cosmic Cubes. A couple are created on Earth - the first by AIM (of Red Skull fame), made by semi-accident. The Skrulls (the Chitauri of the movie are the Ultimates-line version of Skrulls) also made one, as did others - Asgard notably *not* having made one in the main continuity.

I mean, I know that the Avengers has kinda always been like that, but its a little hard to make challenges for such a diverse team seem challenging for the first group without being completely overwhelming for the second, or challenging for the second without being a complete cakewalk for the first.

If you're doing it as merely a physical power simulation, yes. If you allow for appropriately heroic levels of tactics, leadership, trickery, and inventiveness, it becomes less so. Hawkeye succeeds not just because he has arrows (the pointy end goes in the other man!), but he uses them in just the right way - to exploit a weakness, for example. The Marvel Heroic RPG handles such things pretty well, actually.