D&D 5E Is 5e the Least-Challenging Edition of D&D?

[ccs]

xmen, superman, batman, the punisher, john mcclain, dictor strange, sarah connor, justice league, on & on. That right there is a good selection of various gritty to heroic types.. not one of them
recovers all resources & injuries ready to nova their way through the next problem by getting a good night's sleep. The only category that does that are some of the more OTT mythic fantasies. Even crazy over the top anime & manga have things like attrition & meaningful resource depletion.

You know we're talking about D&D, right?

 

[tetrasodium]

You know we're talking about D&D, right?

We are kind of back tracking on the thread here. the speed that power levels scale up into mythic levels not seen by anything but the greek & roman gods is problematic to 5e.

 

[Oofta]

We are kind of back tracking on the thread here. the speed that power levels scale up into mythic levels not seen by anything but the greek & roman gods is problematic to 5e.

High level spell casters in 3.5 would make any 5E PC cry. If it's a problem, it's always been a problem.

 

[Chaosmancer]

xmen, superman, batman, the punisher, john mcclain, dictor strange, sarah connor, justice league, on & on. That right there is a good selection of various gritty to heroic types.. not one of them
recovers all resources & injuries ready to nova their way through the next problem by getting a good night's sleep. The only category that does that are some of the more OTT mythic fantasies. Even crazy over the top anime & manga have things like attrition & meaningful resource depletion.

Focusing solely on the "I recover all health after sleeping for a night" misses the entire point.

Anime includes characters who can swing their swords and cut mountains in half.
Comics regularly include the heroes single handedly fighting entire armies of trained soldiers and ninjas (equivalent of veteran or assassin statblock) even of other races (such as drow elite warriors)

Heck, where is the fighter that can pull off the duel between Dante and Virgil?

They catch bullets on their swords, fire bullets by swinging the swords, and fight so quickly they actually cut every raindrop in reach of their weapons.

That is mythic. Recovering hp but still being unable to solo 100 goblins isn't.

 

[tetrasodium]

Focusing solely on the "I recover all health after sleeping for a night" misses the entire point.

Anime includes characters who can swing their swords and cut mountains in half.
Comics regularly include the heroes single handedly fighting entire armies of trained soldiers and ninjas (equivalent of veteran or assassin statblock) even of other races (such as drow elite warriors)

Heck, where is the fighter that can pull off the duel between Dante and Virgil?

They catch bullets on their swords, fire bullets by swinging the swords, and fight so quickly they actually cut every raindrop in reach of their weapons.

That is mythic. Recovering hp but still being unable to solo 100 goblins isn't.

It's not just that they recover all hp for choosing not to risk suffering from forced march penalties, it's the way 5e is setup for combat that is either an epic slog like 4 episodes/issues doing nothing but fighting that army in ways that make silly things like drabonballZ's multepisode serialescalation conversation filled combats seem downright brief to the viewer. Difference being that in 5e instead of serial escalation you just have nova to dust>nap. It's not just casters who are effected by this... Rage, Bardic Inspiration, Cleric Channel Divinity, Wildshape, second wind, action surge, indomitable, superiority dice, Ki points, Lay on Hands, Pally Channel divinity, Undying Sentinel,many racial or feat based abilities along with all the class abilities balanced under the assumption that anything other than the 6-8 encounter style of fighting entire armies & reality warping horrors is badWrongFun effectively become at will & encounter powers.

 

[Garthanos]

Focusing solely on the "I recover all health after sleeping for a night" misses the entire point.

Yay my fighter can trip somebody who isn't too big again... cause he got an hour rest LOL I really do not get it. Beowulf who could hold his breath fighting underwater for hours is so not impressed either.

 

[Garthanos]

That is mythic. Recovering hp but still being unable to solo 100 goblins isn't.

Basically bounded accuracy confounds even legendary.

 

[tetrasodium]

Basically bounded accuracy confounds even legendary.

Not by much.... These are only "medium" encounters

• For a party of 5 level 10 characters: 30 goblins or 10 goblin bosses, 6 hobgoblin captains is a medium encounter, or 6 veterans.
• If those characters are level 12: it's a little over 70 goblins or 15 goblin bosses, 8 hobgoblin captains, or 8 veterans
• If they are 15: it's a bit over 100 goblins or over 25 goblin bosses, 10 hobgoblin captains, or 10 veterans before it jumps to "hard".
• and you still have 5-7 more encouners for the 6-8 encounter notch

Sure you could use stronger humanoids or an apocalypse engine class reality warping horror or three.

Use KFC to check if you doubt me

 

[Garthanos]

Not by much.... These are only "medium" encounters

Goblins were picked as an inconsequential enemy example so there is that. Though I am thinking dying of boredom and die rolling induced nerve damage would happen first. (insert swarm mechanics and monsters designed with that in mind)

 

[tetrasodium]

Goblins were picked as an inconsequential enemy example so there is that. Though I am thinking dying of boredom and die rolling induced nerve damage would happen first. (insert swarm mechanics and monsters designed with that in mind)

Indeed, if you ignore the story & world continuity of needing to kill so many things between rests the bigger problem is the epic mind numbing slogs of completely safe combats is the big trouble with things being so safe if you throw out anything but a good number of apocalypse level powers.