Pathfinder 1E is a big Pathfinder surge on the way?

[Dice4Hire]

I see no reason for a surge of players right now. Sure some will go there, but the ones doing 3.5 will keep doing so, and the 4E ones might go elsewhere, but Pathfinder is a step back. If people liked 4E, Pathfinder is not the same game. Not at all.

 

[TwinBahamut]

I see no reason for a surge of players right now. Sure some will go there, but the ones doing 3.5 will keep doing so, and the 4E ones might go elsewhere, but Pathfinder is a step back. If people liked 4E, Pathfinder is not the same game. Not at all.

Yep, this is quite true.

I see no reason to embrace Pathfinder just because 5E has been announced. I liked 4E well enough that Pathfinder seems too rooted in past mistakes. It also fails to embrace the parts of 3.5E that I really enjoyed. My feelings on that are not going to change anytime soon.

It think it is more likely that Pathfinder sales will drop just as much as 4E sales based on the new edition announcement. It has been positioned too much as "the other D&D" to not be affected by the new edition announcement, and that usually means a decline in sales...

 

[enrious]

my god, do you think Paizo could do their own version of 4E and keep that community fed after WOTC completely moves on? I know it seems daft but it seems to have worked for PaffFinder.

foolish_mortals

No, 4e wasn't released under the OGL, with a viable SRD.

 

[enrious]

I see no reason for a surge of players right now. Sure some will go there, but the ones doing 3.5 will keep doing so, and the 4E ones might go elsewhere, but Pathfinder is a step back. If people liked 4E, Pathfinder is not the same game. Not at all.

This, exactly this.

In an ideal case for WotC, D&DN when released is able to satisfy the separate groups - and this includes Pathfinder players.

Worst case, nothing really changes.

But then, what happens for WotC if they don't try.

Nothing.

 

[enrious]

It think it is more likely that Pathfinder sales will drop just as much as 4E sales based on the new edition announcement. It has been positioned too much as "the other D&D" to not be affected by the new edition announcement, and that usually means a decline in sales...

Certainly plausible, although I wouldn't expect to see any such dip until much, much, much closer to 5e launch.

 

[ForeverSlayer]

I see no reason for a surge of players right now. Sure some will go there, but the ones doing 3.5 will keep doing so, and the 4E ones might go elsewhere, but Pathfinder is a step back. If people liked 4E, Pathfinder is not the same game. Not at all.

I'm not following where you are getting this "step back" from?

Since Pathfinder is different than 4th edition, it's not a step back but a step forward in another direction.

You are making the mistake that if you were to go to Pathfinder from 4th edition you are going to an inferior game. That's how it sounds to me.

 

[Wormwood]

I'm not following where you are getting this "step back" from?

I believe "step back" refers to Pathfinder being much more closely related to 3.5 than 4e.

Since 3.5 predated 4e, this it is a 'step back' to an earlier incarnation of D&D.

Not inferior, simply older.

 

[foolish_mortals]

I'm not following where you are getting this "step back" from?

Since Pathfinder is different than 4th edition, it's not a step back but a step forward in another direction.

You are making the mistake that if you were to go to Pathfinder from 4th edition you are going to an inferior game. That's how it sounds to me.

I agree, the numbering scheme just reflects a period of time. It's not necessarily game progress. I have to look at 2nd edition stuff and compare it to 1rst to see if it's really that different or if just alters some things. Maybe fix some misprints and such.

foolish_mortals

 

[BryonD]

I see no reason for a surge of players right now. Sure some will go there, but the ones doing 3.5 will keep doing so, and the 4E ones might go elsewhere, but Pathfinder is a step back. If people liked 4E, Pathfinder is not the same game. Not at all.

Heh.

I really agree with you.

But it strikes me as funny how quick things reverse when the shoe is on the other foot.

I've been saying for years, and as recently as within the past few weeks before the big announcement, that 4E and 3E/PF provide very different experiences. And I would routinely get critical comments from 4E fans demanding that 4E provides everything the 3E provided and the experience was very similar. But that seemed to apply when 4E was "the reigning edition" that people should come around to.

Now that the curtain is coming down on 4E's turn at the helm, it seems I was right.....

 

[foolish_mortals]

you know, you guys might be right. Since 4th edition is really different to me and PaffFinder probably seems not dnd to 4thers, where the heck would they migrate to if they leave 4th?

foolish_mortals