Is Giving Out A +3 Weapon Generous?

[Xyrlove Woodsoul]

Nope. Just remember the milestone-based limitations on daily item use. The problem solves itself.

-O

But what about wands with Encounter spells embedded in them? Do those count as Daily slots? My case in point. I really like the Artificer Encounter 7 Attack Power Gale Force Infusion, it has been very effective. So I created a wand with that spell embedded in it, as an Encounter Power. But, really, I wouldn't mind having 3-4 of them, to be honest, a' la', A Gale Enforcer

 

[Prestidigitalis]

Vicious may be boring, but it compares well to the highest levels in every band.

How much more damage does a Vicious weapon do on each attack relative to a vanilla Magic weapon?

The difference per + = 1-12 vs. 1-6 = 6.5 vs 3.5 = 3

+1 @crit on 20 = 3 * 0.05 = 0.15
+6 @crit on 18 = 18 * 0.15 = 2.70

I'm not impressed by either end of the scale, especially considering that very few characters can crit on an 18 consistently.

 

[Obryn]

But what about wands with Encounter spells embedded in them? Do those count as Daily slots? My case in point. I really like the Artificer Encounter 7 Attack Power Gale Force Infusion, it has been very effective. So I created a wand with that spell embedded in it, as an Encounter Power. But, really, I wouldn't mind having 3-4 of them, to be honest, a' la', A Gale Enforcer

If you embed an Encounter power into a Wand, it's a Daily magic item.

If you embed an At-Will power into a Wand, it's an Encounter magic item.

So you can't embed Gale-Force Infusion into a Wand and use it every encounter.

-O

 

[Marshall]

How much more damage does a Vicious weapon do on each attack relative to a vanilla Magic weapon?

The difference per + = 1-12 vs. 1-6 = 6.5 vs 3.5 = 3

+1 @crit on 20 = 3 * 0.05 = 0.15
+6 @crit on 18 = 18 * 0.15 = 2.70

I'm not impressed by either end of the scale, especially considering that very few characters can crit on an 18 consistently.

Compared to any other weapon enhancement? Its sweetness and light. +3 per plus on a crit is less situational than almost all other weapon enchantments. Are there better ones? Maybe. Are they 2-3 item levels better? And are there enough to justify 2-3 item levels on top of Vicious? No.

 

[Victim]

Compared to any other weapon enhancement? Its sweetness and light. +3 per plus on a crit is less situational than almost all other weapon enchantments. Are there better ones? Maybe. Are they 2-3 item levels better? And are there enough to justify 2-3 item levels on top of Vicious? No.

Jagged is the same level as Vicious. Radiant can add the bonus again every hit - that seems worth the extra 3 levels. Frost is +1 level IIRC, and enables some powerful feat combos.

 

[Prestidigitalis]

Compared to any other weapon enhancement? Its sweetness and light. +3 per plus on a crit is less situational than almost all other weapon enchantments. Are there better ones? Maybe. Are they 2-3 item levels better? And are there enough to justify 2-3 item levels on top of Vicious? No.

Every crit, meaning maybe one every 3 or 4 encounters. And that one crit you occasionally get may be against a minion, a creature with 1 HP remaining, or an ally while you are dominated. (Also some cases where the encounter is a cakewalk, but that argument has no special bearing on the utility of big crits compared to other blessed events.)

It's been a while since I've perused AV or AV2, but there are some spectacular weapons in there that I would gladly take over Vicious.

Having said all that, Vicious probably deserves more than a one-level rating.

 

[Obryn]

Jagged is the same level as Vicious. Radiant can add the bonus again every hit - that seems worth the extra 3 levels. Frost is +1 level IIRC, and enables some powerful feat combos.

IMO, Jagged is way undervalued.

-O

 

[Marshall]

IMO, Jagged is way undervalued.

-O

??? Jagged is worthless. You lose out on everything that makes a crit worthwhile. So what good does the crit do?

 

[Obryn]

??? Jagged is worthless. You lose out on everything that makes a crit worthwhile. So what good does the crit do?

(1) You still grab max damage, along with any High Crit properties and other feat- or class-based features that trigger on a crit.
(2) At the +3 and +4 level, 10 ongoing will - on average - do more damage than 3d6 or 4d6 to normal monsters. It will just take longer to do it.

It's a fantastic way to fish for crits in Paragon tier.

-O

 

[Nifft]

My experience with ongoing damage is that it's awesome against Standard foes, but Elite and Solo units shrug the effect off too soon, especially given their increased HP totals.

So I suspect Jagged weapons would be brutal vs. regular units, but less impressive in Solo fights.

Cheers, -- N