Is it inherently harder to be a female DM?

randomling

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The last time I DMed (second session of a new, hopefully long-running campaign, but only the 6th session I have ever run) I had a bit of a problem. I'm a woman, all three of my players are guys. And we had about half an hour of me being unable to stop them making sex jokes when I was trying to get them to get back into roleplaying. Not only did it annoy me a bit as a DM, but it also made me feel a bit uncomfortable and very conscious of the fact that I was the only woman there.

But I wonder about the reasons for this and how I can prevent this kind of thing from happening again.

Is this because I'm a newcomer to DMing? Are they testing me out?

Is it because they know I'm not very forceful? I find it quite hard to make my voice heard sometimes and that can make DMing a bit of a challenge.

Or is it because I'm a girl?

I'd be interested to hear about the experiences of other female DMs - and from male players too. Do guys accept female players and DMs in their group? Does this kind of thing happen in other people's games?

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It's because they're jerks.

You don't give your age, but I'm guessing you guys are high school or college age? They may simply be too immature to deal with the presence of a member of the opposite sex. Boot them and get new players.
 


mythago said:
It's because they're jerks.

You don't give your age, but I'm guessing you guys are high school or college age? They may simply be too immature to deal with the presence of a member of the opposite sex. Boot them and get new players.

I'm 22, my group is late teens/twenties. I'm in college, one's a grad student, the other two actually work for a living. :)

The thing is I've been playing with these guys for a year now - I just started DMing them - and once we got past the "wench" issue, we were fine. But now the power relationship has changed or something, and I'm having to remind them that women are real people all over again.

Sigh.

These guys are really the only gamers I know in London, is the problem - I game with them (or maybe one-on-one on a highly occasional basis with the one guy I know that won't do this to me) or I don't game at all.

Maybe I should run a game online and pretend I'm a man.
 

First off - were they just normal, 'goofing off' kinds of jokes, (you probably know what I mean,) or were they pretty pointed and obviously directed at you? If it's the former, telling jokes and making wisecracks as much as playing might be their thing; I've had groups before that play for the social aspect much moreso than the roleplaying one. That's just a difference in style, and you'll have to address that as anyone would address the group having different expectations for the game. If it's the latter, I'd say that it has more to do with your individual players (I'll be polite and not call them anything rude, though I might want to...) than anything else.

As far as having female DM's, no, I've never had one, but it by no means has to do with gender - the majority of those I've played with are guys, because, well... of the standard gamer's complaint. That said, I've played with a small handful of girls from time to time (four, I think,) and while most of them were new to the game - thus not being interested in DMing - one was an old hand who just enjoyed playing. I can't see gender - prejudice, it sounds like you're asking - as having anything to do with it.
 


Terraism said:
First off - were they just normal, 'goofing off' kinds of jokes, (you probably know what I mean,) or were they pretty pointed and obviously directed at you? If it's the former, telling jokes and making wisecracks as much as playing might be their thing; I've had groups before that play for the social aspect much moreso than the roleplaying one. That's just a difference in style, and you'll have to address that as anyone would address the group having different expectations for the game. If it's the latter, I'd say that it has more to do with your individual players (I'll be polite and not call them anything rude, though I might want to...) than anything else.

They were "social" jokes, yeah - not directed at me - but of the type that guys seem to make when they're by themselves and don't tend to (in my experience) when women are around. It was like I wasn't even there.

And yes, we are a social gaming group, and I enjoy that part as much as anyone. I come along to the sessions to hang out with my friends as much as play D&D, too. The issue really was that I felt quite uncomfortable and they didn't really seem to care.



As far as having female DM's, no, I've never had one, but it by no means has to do with gender - the majority of those I've played with are guys, because, well... of the standard gamer's complaint. That said, I've played with a small handful of girls from time to time (four, I think,) and while most of them were new to the game - thus not being interested in DMing - one was an old hand who just enjoyed playing. I can't see gender - prejudice, it sounds like you're asking - as having anything to do with it.

The standard gamer's complaint? Um... huh?

I don't know if it had to do with me being a woman or not... but I had some trouble with certain people when I first joined up (being called "wench" and so on)...

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My first DM was a woman, and my wife DM's a great game. When we both ran RPGA games at cons her table always filled up faster than mine (frequently with Piratecat at his friends).

There has been a similar thread to this over on the Dragonsfoot board, titled "Should Women Game". While a number of the responses reflect typical 19th century thinking, most of the more reasoned replies point out that it is the individual, and not the gender, that is what is important. The thread is as follows:

http://www.dragonsfoot.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=182&start=0
 
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Randomling,

Mythago may have hit the nail on the head, and this could just be a maturity issue.

From what you said, however, it may also be that becoming the GM has really drawn attention to the fact that you are a woman. Allow me to explain.

When you were a player, this did not happen. You were part of the player group (the "us") with the GM on the other side of the screens (the "them"). You were part of "the Team".

With you as the GM, you become "them". The players are now opposite you, and may see this as an adversarial position. Now, not only are different for being a woman, but you are also different for being the GM. Thus they band together "against" you. Snide sexual comments are easier to make than "GM jokes", so much so that they may not realize how carried away they are getting.

Have you broached this issue with them? Try killing a few of thier characters, that will get thier attention. ;)

Anyway, my wife is the only female GM I have seen run, and she rules with an iron fist, encountering none of these issues. So perhaps you are a little too lax on discipline?

I hope you manage to sort it out. But then again, maybe they are just jerks?

Good luck!
 

randomling said:
The last time I DMed (second session of a new, hopefully long-running campaign, but only the 6th session I have ever run) I had a bit of a problem. I'm a woman, all three of my players are guys. And we had about half an hour of me being unable to stop them making sex jokes when I was trying to get them to get back into roleplaying. Not only did it annoy me a bit as a DM, but it also made me feel a bit uncomfortable and very conscious of the fact that I was the only woman there.

I gather you've been playing with the group for a while--have they ever done anything like this before when you were a player and one of them was the DM?

But I wonder about the reasons for this and how I can prevent this kind of thing from happening again.

Is this because I'm a newcomer to DMing? Are they testing me out?

It's hard to tell what they're doing without knowing the people involved. One of the things I've noticed about DMing though is that groups can get distracted or get into a silly mood and when that happens it's sometimes harder to get them back on track.

It's also worth pointing out that there's a different dynamic between a person and the group as a DM and as a player. When I play a game, the players are my peers and the DM is the DM. I make jokes with other players much more readily than I joke with the DM. I also relate to the DM differently during the game than I do outside of it.

Is it because they know I'm not very forceful? I find it quite hard to make my voice heard sometimes and that can make DMing a bit of a challenge.

That's one possible reason. If your group is easily distracted then the DM needs to guide them back on track. Do you remember the previous DM needing to do this regularly? That's one of the skills needed for DMing.

Or is it because I'm a girl?

I suppose that's a possibility too but I doubt they're making the jokes to harrass you now if they didn't when you were a player. How would you have handled such jokes when you were a player? If you would have said something like "these sex jokes are making me uncomfortable, please stop" but you feel inhibited in doing that now that you're the DM, that's probably the reason.

I guess part of the question is how did you try to get them back into role-playing. As a DM, there's a temptation to do it in-game by having an NPC speak up but sometimes that can be interpreted as playing along (especially if the jokes are semi-in character). Sometimes the DM just needs to step out of game and say, "hey look, let's get back to business." In my last game we'd say "less yacking; more hacking" but I guess that won't really work for a role-playing intensive game.

Piratecat apparently has a policy where puns (except for from the party bard) and out of game banter are fined--a quarter each. He calls it paying the pig and I think that the money goes towards feeding the DM and players. If the problem isn't just sex jokes but general out of character banter, you might want to talk with the group about implementing something similar.

I'd be interested to hear about the experiences of other female DMs - and from male players too. Do guys accept female players and DMs in their group? Does this kind of thing happen in other people's games?

Help me?

Looking back, I think I've only played a couple of games DMed by a woman. (Female gamers are fairly rare and at least in my experience tend to be less experienced gamers). I don't really recall a different social dynamic at those tables than at tables DMed by men though.
 

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