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Pathfinder 2E Is It Time for PF2 "Essentials"?


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kenada

Legend
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The FAQ includes both the first and second rounds of errata. It’s broken into two sections because there was not enough room to include everything in one. Other than a handful of things in the errata that missed getting included in the second printing, almost everything should be there. Paizo never updates the PDF without also doing a new printing, so if you have the PDF, that’s what you should expect in the second printing.
 


Desdichado

Adventurer
"D&D and MtG combined make more money than Transformers, Power Rangers, My Little Pony, and Monopoly combined, as was revealed in recent shake-ups following WotC's last earnings call. That's ridiculous. That means that 5E isn't just a juggernaut in the market, it is now the engine that generates the market that every other game exists within. And that's not unusual, D&D has long been the centerpiece of the TTRPG world and is really the thing that opened the door for everything that's come since."

Not to rock the boat, but actually that doesn't tell us all that much about D&D, necessarily. In the past, it was always considered a trusim that MtG is where the money was for WotC and that D&D was a project of love, not profit. I'm sure that's not entirely true now (or if it ever truly was), but the degree to which it isn't is still unknown, unless there's a lot more detailed information in that earnings call than I'm aware of.
 

transmission89

Adventurer
The FAQ includes both the first and second rounds of errata. It’s broken into two sections because there was not enough room to include everything in one. Other than a handful of things in the errata that missed getting included in the second printing, almost everything should be there. Paizo never updates the PDF without also doing a new printing, so if you have the PDF, that’s what you should expect in the second printing.
No I get that. I already have the second printing pdf of the crb. I’m on about a pdf of the errata itself. They did this for the first round and they’ve done it historically for 1e
 




D&D has long been the centerpiece of the TTRPG world and is really the thing that opened the door for everything that's come since.

This is one of those things I point out to people who start talking about how tiny Game X is compared to D&D. That's pretty much been true for almost any game in the entire history of RPGs. D&D has had a gravitational advantage in terms of networking and name recognition since at least the late 70's that its never, ever lost, and would have to be an immensely worse game (and I'm someone who's not been a real fan of most editions of D&D for many years) than it is to lose. Only a very limited number of games have ever come close or were perceived as coming close by the people owning the D&D brand at the time.
 


Unfortunately, there’s nothing like that, and it sucks. I had to go by what someone posted on reddit to see what changed in the second printing.
It is kind of annoying. Not that they'd be the first game company to be less than helpful in how they publish their errata, but with a big detailed game system its much more of a thing.
 


Porridge

Explorer
And here’s an interesting post from this morning by Erik Mona, Paizo’s CCO:

“Folks, the game is doing well. It'd be doing better if we weren't in the middle of a worldwide pandemic, but we've sold a TON of books and continue to do so. More importantly, we believe the current game provides a design infrastructure and presentation that we can better build on toward the future than a system whose infrastructure dates back to the 1990s.

In terms of the overall timeline, we are not in the "2015" of Pathfinder Second Edition. We are in the "2011" of Pathfinder Second Edition. And the fundamental business (and the game's fundamental design) is much more sound, and the potential for growth much more significant, than it was back then.

Online engagement with the brand, from people making, watching, and commenting on online videos to participation in online forums, is something that actually happens now. That activity was dead prior to second edition, and now it is vibrant and getting more so.

Most of our subscriptions are higher now than they were 2 years ago. In ALL of those cases they are also higher than they were 3 years ago. And 5 years ago.

The RPG hobby has grown monstrously in the last 3-5 years. There are plenty of gold pieces to share among the party.”

(Link: paizo.com - Forums / Pathfinder Second Edition: General Discussion: Paizo/Pathfinder 2e and the Current Market)
 

transmission89

Adventurer
Yo
FWIW, I think Paizo's handling of their errata has been a clumsy failure.

Somebody REALLY need to introduce the concept of "version control" to the people in charge.
You mean like where it’s listed on its site and it has collapsible sections titled errata part one and errata part 2?
 


transmission89

Adventurer

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kenada

Legend
Supporter
I have First round and second round for the crb there.
That’s not what those sections are. The first part contains stuff from the second round of errata. The reason they are split is because of limitations in Paizo’s FAQ system. For example, the changes to bulk regarding held, worn, and stowed items are included in part 1 even though they are new as of the 2nd round of errata.
 

transmission89

Adventurer
That’s not what those sections are. The first part contains stuff from the second round of errata. The reason they are split is because of limitations in Paizo’s FAQ system. For example, the changes to bulk regarding held, worn, and stowed items are included in part 1 even though they are new as of the 2nd round of errata.
Right. God that’s crazy ridiculous I thought it was literally part 1 and 2. It’s puzzling. They had this right in 1e
 


transmission89

Adventurer
Which brings us back to my statement...

Cheers
You’re welcome. And not really. Given your many, many, many hyperbolic posts around pf2 being a failure it’s often difficult to parse what actually is or not.

I mean, is it a failure? Not really, beyond the confusion of my part as to whether or not it’s versioned (hence why I asked the question). Does it do the job of errata? sure, it certainly doesn’t really fail to do that. Though indeed, it could be more thoughtfully organised.
 

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