Is Lich Worth It?

[Darklone]

I like the automatic self-raise.

 

[Numion]

I personally see liches as an epic thing, and thats just my opinion, you dont have to agree or like it, and i'll play them how i want too

That's the Demilich, in the Epic handbook. They are the state of the badass art in liches. I know, the name's a bit of a misnomer, but they rock on toast.

What's with the attitude, BTW?

 

[frankthedm]

QFT

That quote reads a lot more snarky than intended.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

What's with the attitude, BTW?

That question is neither funny nor relevant.

 

[Templetroll]

It doesn't feel like half-anything because it isn't half-way. Lich is the classic, based on a wonderful, horrid monster creation and not some committee created thingee devised at a meeting. Once you go lich you'll be da bitch! (not sure if that is permitted, but we'll find out, eh?)

 

[Templetroll]

That quote reads a lot more snarky than intended.

Nuthin' wrong with snark.

 

[Shadeydm]

Well, you know, everyone and their tauren is 60th level these days.

Old news man, 70 is the new 60.

 

[Psion]

I prefer the idea that you have to become a mage of rather high power BEFORE becomming a lich, not just adding a template.....

I hate that 11th level isn't considered "rather high power" by all too many nowadays...

Edit: Damn! Scooped by Sammael.

Oh, well. Repeated for emphasis.

 

[Wolfwood2]

Thats your opinion
with the quickness and easy of levelling in 3rd (and no i am not saying this is a bad thing, WHY for the life of me people take everything as a bash to third i dont know) it doesnt take too long to get to level 11, i think from what i've seen on the wizad forums the most common levels for players is from the 7-15 range

I just think i should be a magical process requiring high level spells, what i consider high level is 8th and 9th level spells, the top tier

It seeems to me everyone wants everything, and they want it now, and this is one of the reasons its so dumbed down

Liches may have a level adjustment, but they are primarily intended as NPC monsters.

You yourself just said that the most common level for players is 7-15. At level 7, a lich created from a CL 11 spellcaster is a very tough but doable challenge. At level 15, you are just at the point where a 'top tier' lich becomes a tough but doable challenge.

Therefore by making lichdom applicable to CL 11 casters, the DM can uses liches as villains thoughout the most common levels of the game.

I consider 5th level spells to be the baseline for "high level" magic myself. With 5th level spells a villain NPC can teleport, call and bind fiends to serve him in a summoning circle, enslave the will of another person to their whims, steal someone's body, fly for hours at a time, etc. All the stuff you need in a terrifying big bad.

 

[Harm]

Clerics get to one-shot you with greater bolt of glory. Totally worth it! And taking a no-xp loss revivsence is so much worse than missing 1-10 days + travel of adventure time with the party while you recover!