Is the Force Dragon unhittable?

Piratecat · Nov 1, 2002

Want another +2 to hit? For a circumstance bonus, have your buddy assist you (what's that called? Aid another?) by rolling to hit some low AC.

I think attacking from above also gives a circumstance bonus. I'd need to check my books, though.

Magic Rub · Nov 1, 2002

Piratecat said:
Want another +2 to hit? For a circumstance bonus, have your buddy assist you (what's that called? Aid another?) by rolling to hit some low AC.

I think attacking from above also gives a circumstance bonus. I'd need to check my books, though.

+1 for highground

Kai Lord · Nov 1, 2002

Re: Still not quite there...

ashockney said:
One of my players came up with this (thanks to Bo):

40th Ranger (+30 BAB), using Dread Bow (+14) and Dread Arrows (+14), with Bracers of Archery (+2), feats of WF, EWF, and PBS (+4), twinked out Dex (+17), Divine Favor (+6), Pale Green Ioun Stone (+1) = +88 to hit with first attack, how convenient.

Silly boy. 4th level Ranger. Non-magical bow. One Dread arrow. Hunter's Mercy.

ruleslawyer · Nov 2, 2002

Not that this is super-relevant, but I'll also point out that in reality, an epic CR 43 dragon isn't actually a fair fight for a group of 40th-level characters. We all know how ridiculous dragon CRs are; the ELH doesn't fix this problem. I'd say the aforementioned dragon is a CR 47 or 48 encounter, and thence a fair fight for a bunch of 45th-level characters.

cyr the mighty · Nov 2, 2002

+98 before spell buffs

Thanks for the props shockney, but you're a little off on my archer. 40th ranger, +30 BAB, +17 from DEX, DEX item for +6 more, +2 bracers of archery, +3 luck from skin of hero, +10 dread bow which is actually +14, same bonus for +10 dread arrows, +2 from bane of enemies feat, +5 from epic prowess, +2 epic focus, +2 from way of the lion feat(works if opponent has natural armor), +1 point blank shot...for a total of +98 (unless my math is off)

I think we figued damage per arrow averaging somewhere around 60 or so...his DR means nothing to me, haste for 5 attacks a round and you are looking at 300 points of damage without even buffing or getting a critical.

You could easily add in some deepwood sniper and wasp bounty hunter levels and jack up the crits to x5 and shoot arrows that do 1d8+1d10 base damage with everything else and you are now at about 80 points per arrow before buffs and crits...im sure I could get to about 100 per shot with buffs and only miss on a 1 with the last shot. With the right levels of the prestige classes, an 80 point arrow with a x5 critical...I could not only hit him, but with a perfect round (5 crits of 400+ each), I could kill him before he even gets an attack off. Bring on the great wyrm, this one is weak.

Corinth · Nov 2, 2002

Victim said:
The Force Dragon has 64 natural AC, and 22 deflection. In theory, it could add haste, Epic Mage Armor, etc, etc to its AC as well.

I have the means around that armor thing: Essential Blade, from Relics & Rituals II: Lost Lore (pg. 112). With this spell cast upon a melee weapon, the wielder ignores the Force Dragon's armor/natural armor bonuses for the duration.

Jeph · Nov 2, 2002

Actually, we need someting with +78 to hit that does not utilize a single magic item or spell. Because we can assume that the dragon will have stuff to balance out everything that the PCs throw at him. PC has a +58674856 luck bonus to Attacks? The dragon has a +58674856 luck bonus to AC.
Oh, and don't forget the dragon can take Armor Skin like 20 times, for an additional +40 AC.

man, we need some BADDers in here.

Jeph · Nov 2, 2002

Corinth said:
I have the means around that armor thing: Essential Blade, from Relics & Rituals II: Lost Lore (pg. 112). With this spell cast upon a melee weapon, the wielder ignores the Force Dragon's armor/natural armor bonuses for the duration.

Deep Impact, Fell Shot, and Unavoidable Strike do the same thing. They make attacks touch attacks. And can't be counterspelled, since they're feats. [psionic feats, remember those things?] So, all you really need is a 6th level Psion.