Is the Warlock going to kill the sorcerer and take his stuff?

[jollyninja]

to be frank, we don't need two classes so similar that they use the same spell list. I think the warlock ate the sorceror's concept the moment it sprang into existence. Between the two I'll take the Warlock simply because of it's lack of similarity to the wizard. With what they are doing to the magic system (getting rid of much of the vancian style that currently defines the wizard class specifically) I would guess the wizard is the one eating the sorceror's stuff and the warlock is simply keeping his and giving us a different flavor of magic in the core rules. I for one would applaud the move.

 

[Branduil]

Yes, the Sorcerer seems pretty redundant now. It's too bad they never did anything interesting with the class, they didn't even fix them in 3.5 despite the fact that they sucked.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

What stuff does the sorcerer have worth taking?

Based on the 3E illustrations, lots of bondage gear. I sure hope the warlock washes it first, though.

 

[FungiMuncher]

What stuff does the sorcerer have worth taking?

Sorcerers had unique access to some of the heritage feats - draconic, celestial, infernal. But the Fey and Fiendish heritage feats shows how anyone could have 'em. Some cool ideas but too expensive considering the lack of feats the class gets. Developing something similar for the warlock would be cool and make it much more customizable.

Sorcerers also get those buckles...

 

[pawsplay]

Warlocks also got heritage feats, of course.

 

[Aust Diamondew]

Ironically sorcerer was overwhelmingly favored on wizard in my group, but thats mostly because we're lazy slackers.

 

[cthulhu_duck]

Based on the 3E illustrations, lots of bondage gear. I sure hope the warlock washes it first, though.

Any spikes though have already been claimed by the 4E Dragons.

 

[The_Universe]

I hope sorcerer just becomes a variant Wizard with a talent tree or something, rather than a separate class...if it's necessary at all. With 4e apparently allowing most of the vancian magic to go the way of the dodo, the uniqueness of spontaneous casting is likely to disappear, as well.

 

[Felon]

to be frank, we don't need two classes so similar that they use the same spell list.

An interesting position, since the explanation stated for the sorcerer's existence was so that there wouldn't be a huge block of spells being used by only one class.

Since we're in a scenario wheer the class could just as easily be called "sorcerer" or "warlock"--it just doesn't matter, since they're equally generic--it's interesting that they'd pick the latter name over the former, given that sorcerer is established in the PHB.

 

[Rechan]

An interesting position, since the explanation stated for the sorcerer's existence was so that there wouldn't be a huge block of spells being used by only one class.

I think his point was that the Wizard and Sorcerer cast from the same spell list, not that the sorcerer has the same number of spells as the wizard.

I.e. the only difference is the number of spells they cast, not what spells they cast. Thus they are not different enough to matter.