D&D (2024) Is There A New Sheriff in Town?

[Morrus]

I am not sure Pathfinder 1st edition was successful at filing off the serial numbers that connected it to 3e/3.5e. If Paizo had been successful at filing off the serial numbers, it wouldn't have been called by some players, 3.75e D&D.

No, that shows that it was successful at filing the serial numbers off. People perceiving it as an edition of D&D yet not infringing is the win scenario.

 

[Corinnguard]

No, that shows that it was successful at filing the serial numbers off. People perceiving it as an edition of D&D yet not infringing is the win scenario.

So much for my Insight check. Now I have to wonder if Pathfinder 2nd edition was successful or not at this.

 

[Scribe]

So much for my Insight check. Now I have to wonder if Pathfinder 2nd edition was successful or not at this.

Certainly not, the way its set up is too different from current D&D.

 

[Morrus]

So much for my Insight check. Now I have to wonder if Pathfinder 2nd edition was successful or not at this.

I feel like they deliberately stepped away from the D&D association in the hope that the Pathfinder brand alone was strong enough after 15 years of publication.

 

[Sacrosanct]

Everyone talking about how PF was a threat to DnD and Vampire is just sitting over there in the corner all forgotten lol.

There was a time in the mid 90s when I saw more people playing Vampire or White Wolf than I saw DnD.

The lesson is for any game to threaten DnD, it’s not just popular IP, it’s having the stars align with the current pop culture trends and a spike in the current youthful fad.

 

[Theory of Games]

Calm down. The issues with basing such a claim on ICv2’s rankings have been pointed out before. Pathfinder did not outsell D&D.

Can you prove it?

 

[Morrus]

Can you prove it?

Can I prove a negative? No, that is not how the burden of proof works. Claims are not true unless proven false. Why am I explaining basic logical fallacies to you?

You’re the one making the claim—you claim that Pathfinder outsold D&D. You prove it.

I know full well you can’t prove your claim because I know that all the data you have available is ICv2’s hobby store survey rankings (the ones which I myself compiled over the years on this very website). I also know you don’t have access to either company’s global sales figures across all channels.

Anyway. I’m not wasting any more time on this.

 

[soviet]

Everyone talking about how PF was a threat to DnD and Vampire is just sitting over there in the corner all forgotten lol.

There was a time in the mid 90s when I saw more people playing Vampire or White Wolf than I saw DnD.

The lesson is for any game to threaten DnD, it’s not just popular IP, it’s having the stars align with the current pop culture trends and a spike in the current youthful fad.

Yeah, agreed. I was at uni around 1995 and the feeling in our whole RPG society was that D&D was old news, stale, done. I had a home game that was still D&D but at uni it was all about Vampire, with some other stuff as a side note. I played Pendragon, Cthulhu, Vampire, Vampire live action, Werewolf, Mage, Hunters Hunted, Cybergeneration, Rolemaster, WFRP, Mutant Chronicles, HoL, a homebrew near future thing, Amber, and one session of Skills and Powers D&D as a weird experiment from one of the GMs.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Certainly not, the way its set up is too different from current D&D.

Or any other D&D I'd care to play, frankly.

 

[soviet]

Can I prove a negative? No, that is not how the burden of proof works. Claims are not true unless proven false. Why am I explaining basic logical fallacies to you?

You’re the one making the claim—you claim that Pathfinder outsold D&D. You prove it.

I know full well you can’t prove your claim because I know that all the data you have available is ICv2’s hobby store survey rankings (the ones which I myself compiled over the years on this very website). I also know you don’t have access to either company’s global sales figures across all channels.

Anyway. I’m not wasting any more time on this.

Yes. If Pathfinder had ever actually outsold D&D Paizo would have shouted it from the rooftops, right?

What a marketing angle! To beat the leviathan! Maybe they were just shy