D&D 4E Is there a shift toward 4E in the community ?

[Aloïsius]

Why would anyone think 4e would also not have tons of supplements filled with rules that don't completely fit the core books?

It won't, in the begining...
I wonder if entropy do apply to roleplaying games.

 

[Turanil]

As for the original question: NO!!

Some people seems to be tired by the avalanch of rules products in the last months/years : errata, alternative systems (Tome of magic), alternative sub-systems (metamagic), new class (how many bases classes ?), new races, rule's change (look at polymorph...)... I wonder if WotC is not trying to create the need for a streamlined, revamped, corrected system.

Currently, though, I'm checking out systems like C&C, Lejendary Adventure, and True20. If a "streamlined and revamped" 4E went in that direction, I might take a look a it.

WotC is trying to sell as many books as it can. Doing a streamlined game like C&C or True20 also means less books. I don't see WotC trying to do a 4e edition that would mean less books.

In any case, it's a question of making money. Period. So, as long as the minis sell well, the next edtion of the game will be a tactical minis type of rpg. That, plus an extensive ruleset that permits to sell always more books...: NO! I won't be interested in 4e.

 

[Psion]

I can think of lots of things I think would be nice to see in a 4e.

But after talking to, and seeing the fruits of, some designers who are likely to contribute to 4e, our visions are different, and I fully expect to be disappointed by 4e.

So no, no hurry here.

 

[WhimsyTheFae]

Yet Another 4E Thread. However, my question is more about the D&D community, and especialy the various messageboards. I wonder if there is not a change in the community attitude toward 4E, from "fear and disgust" to "resignation" or even "impatience". Some people seems to be tired by the avalanch of rules products in the last months/years : errata, alternative systems (Tome of magic), alternative sub-systems (metamagic), new class (how many bases classes ?), new races, rule's change (look at polymorph...)... I wonder if WotC is not trying to create the need for a streamlined, revamped, corrected system. When customers will beg for it, they will just need to recreate the 3e hype to ensure another success...

It's a little early for a change in the community's attitude toward 4e. Wait until it is out and starts getting used. Slowly, others will follow suit. It will probably be similar to 3e/3.5e, but may find a bit more resistance.

I don't think it is much different from any major upgrade of a major product. Widespread outcry followed by subdued compliance followed by acceptance of improvements. There will always be resistance from some, but most will eventually come to enjoy it and house rule it and complain about its shortcomings on message boards.

 

[Infernal Teddy]

But after talking to, and seeing the fruits of, some designers who are likely to contribute to 4e, our visions are different, and I fully expect to be disappointed by 4e.

Shouldn't this be in the "Meta-Troll" thread?

 

[JoeGKushner]

I thought the Cheese stands alone? Or was it I wear the cheese, the cheese does not wear me.

We are the cheese yet we do not understand the cheese.

 

[Dr. Harry]

I agree that there's a lot to keep track of, but a lot of it is very modular - you can play a game with the base three books, the base three books and more monster books, the base three books and the complete books, the base three books and psionics, or the base three books and the PHII, and although the different combinations will vary, they don't require each other.

I agree; I think this is one of the biggest advantages of 3(.5)E over 2E, you can cherry-pick what sources you want to use with no penalties, and every new book doesn't depend on you having every other old book to be able to use it.

 

[Greg K]

I can think of lots of things I think would be nice to see in a 4e.

But after talking to, and seeing the fruits of, some designers who are likely to contribute to 4e, our visions are different, and I fully expect to be disappointed by 4e.

So no, no hurry here.

Psion pretty much summed up my position (although I have not talked with the designers).

 

[DaveMage]

Nope, no desire for 4E here.

Why would anyone think 4e would also not have tons of supplements filled with rules that don't completely fit the core books?

Exactly.

 

[Thornir Alekeg]

I'm not convinced that there will be a 4e anytime soon. The now almost modular structure of D&D wth feats, skills, PrCs etc. allows a lot of material to be generated to support the core books. If there is really a new edition, rather than a 3.75 or whatever, then they have to make the changes significant enough to make the current system incompatible, but also keep the openness and flexibility that allows them to crank out supplemental material.

My feeling is that there won't be a sudden new edition, but instead a gradual evolution of rules additions/expansions/variants until they decide to release new core books consolidating the best of them into a "new" set of rules that will still be mostly compatible with the current set.

Perhaps it is only wishful thinking...