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Is there an epic progression for Fochlucan Lyrist?

Jeffrie

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Seems like i saw one once, but now i can't find it.

How would that go? I'm not real familiar with Epic Levels, though i did just reread the DMG. Most of it's fairly clear? but i don't know what feat progression to give FL.

Or is it best to just progress wizard or a base class?
 

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Well, is there a standard way to make an Epic progression for FL? Can one of you whiz kids just bang it down for me?

See, i just don't want to be tempted to make my own (i always cheat). I'll look at the DMG again. , ,
 

Or maybe i could take something like epic bard progression and just use it? or should i try to blend epic bard with epic druid/cleric or something?
 


Fochlucan Lyrist looks pretty simple.

  • Fochlucan Lyrist levels stack with Bard levels for all Bardic Knowledge checks.
  • Fochlucan Lyrist and Bard levels stack for all Bardic Music effects up to 20th level, and then follow Epic Bard progression thereafter.
  • Fochlucan Lyrists gain +1 Bard caster level every odd level and +1 Druid caster level every even level; they do not gain additional spells per day in either class past the equivalent of 20th level.
  • Fochlucan Lyrists get a bonus Epic feat every 6 levels after 10th. They may select bonus feats from the Epic Bard and Epic Druid lists. (But they don't qualify for Epic Wild Shape feats unless they gain more Druid levels.)

You may want to reduce their bonus feat progression because, unlike the Mystic Theurge, they're still gaining Bard features.

Once you've met the prerequisites for Fochlucan Lyrist, you absolutely want to work on Sublime Chord as quickly as possible. One level of Chord, and then back to Lyrist, and you gain Chord spellcasting without losing Bardic Music.

At Epic level, you want to stick to Lyrist at least until you've got Sublime Chord 10 spellcasting or until your Bard + Lyrist level equals 20. Beyond that point, the benefit of sticking to Lyrist becomes debatable compared to alternating between Bard and Druid-- you're weighing a bonus Epic feat every six levels or more against getting higher level Druid class features.
 

Fochlucan Lyrist looks pretty simple.

  • Fochlucan Lyrist levels stack with Bard levels for all Bardic Knowledge checks.
  • Fochlucan Lyrist and Bard levels stack for all Bardic Music effects up to 20th level, and then follow Epic Bard progression thereafter.
  • Fochlucan Lyrists gain +1 Bard caster level every odd level and +1 Druid caster level every even level; they do not gain additional spells per day in either class past the equivalent of 20th level.
  • Fochlucan Lyrists get a bonus Epic feat every 6 levels after 10th. They may select bonus feats from the Epic Bard and Epic Druid lists. (But they don't qualify for Epic Wild Shape feats unless they gain more Druid levels.)

You may want to reduce their bonus feat progression because, unlike the Mystic Theurge, they're still gaining Bard features.

Once you've met the prerequisites for Fochlucan Lyrist, you absolutely want to work on Sublime Chord as quickly as possible. One level of Chord, and then back to Lyrist, and you gain Chord spellcasting without losing Bardic Music.

At Epic level, you want to stick to Lyrist at least until you've got Sublime Chord 10 spellcasting or until your Bard + Lyrist level equals 20. Beyond that point, the benefit of sticking to Lyrist becomes debatable compared to alternating between Bard and Druid-- you're weighing a bonus Epic feat every six levels or more against getting higher level Druid class features.
Yeah, i was coming up with the same thing (One feat every 6 (or 7!) levels sounds painful.
 


True, but if i go Dweomerkeeper from CD i get those feats, and increase caster level, and get Supernatural Spells which bypass SR. . . .
 

That should a bonus feat every 6 or 7 levels. You still get your once every 3 character level feat.

That's why I would default to alternating between Bard and Druid once you reach Sublime Chord 10 spellcasting; you're sacrificing maybe five or six bonus feats to get all of your powerful Druid abilities and if the campaign continues long enough to reach Bard 20/Druid 20, you'll end up with far more Epic feats in the long run.
 

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