Is Wraithstrike the wrong level?

[Venator]

never mind.

 

[brendan candries]

Wraithstrike is not on the Duskblade's spelllist.

 

[Seeten]

Wraithstrike is too good for full attack. It ought to be errata'd to a single attack.

 

[wildstarsreach]

Wraithstrike is not on the Duskblade's spelllist.

Okay, but the way the spell is written and designed it should be. Personally I think that it should be only your next attack.

 

[Mistwell]

I think Wraithstrike is fine where it is, and this is once again a case of people thinking it is overpowered without actually experimenting with it in a game to see if it really IS overpowered. It's only good for a certain type of character (which is not a Duskblade as has been pointed out), and that character often has so many other flaws that it balances things out just fine.

8th or 9th level spell? Now that is just plain overreacting.

 

[Mistwell]

Okay, but the way the spell is written and designed it should be.

In my opinion, that was the point. It's a personal spell, and only on the spell list of classes with low AC, low HP, some low saves, and low BAB. In other words, it's a melee combat spell usable by classes that are not very good at combat unless built like a Gish, which raises other issues that balance it out.

 

[Votan]

I think Wraithstrike is fine where it is, and this is once again a case of people thinking it is overpowered without actually experimenting with it in a game to see if it really IS overpowered. It's only good for a certain type of character (which is not a Duskblade as has been pointed out), and that character often has so many other flaws that it balances things out just fine.

8th or 9th level spell? Now that is just plain overreacting.

I think that making it apply to a single attack will do nothing to overpower it for the classes that have access to it (Sorcerer and Wizard) as they will rarely iterate attacks anyway.

The other class that has it (Assassin) can certainly use the boost.

The big issues are with other classes getting access to it (Extra Spell) or to Fighter/mages (who are a specailized build) plus a few strange corner cases (Sublime Chord prestige classed Bard seem able to really appreciate this being added to their spell list).

But as a second level spell applying to a single attack (or taking a move action to cast) or as a 4th level spell nearly all of my objections are gone.

 

[wildstarsreach]

I think that making it apply to a single attack will do nothing to overpower it for the classes that have access to it (Sorcerer and Wizard) as they will rarely iterate attacks anyway.

The other class that has it (Assassin) can certainly use the boost.

The big issues are with other classes getting access to it (Extra Spell) or to Fighter/mages (who are a specailized build) plus a few strange corner cases (Sublime Chord prestige classed Bard seem able to really appreciate this being added to their spell list).

But as a second level spell applying to a single attack (or taking a move action to cast) or as a 4th level spell nearly all of my objections are gone.

A quickened True Strike which gives +20 to the next strike and also negating cover is a 5th level spell. This still has to be at least 5th if not 6th or 7th.

 

[Infiniti2000]

A quickened True Strike which gives +20 to the next strike and also negating cover is a 5th level spell. This still has to be at least 5th if not 6th or 7th.

True strike negates concealment, not cover or total concealment.

 

[Blightersbane]

If the question is about the combination of spells and feats coupled for max impact to create almost insurmountable damage then consider, off the the top of my head,... a rogue/sorcerer w/ hold person. He can deliver a coupe de grace. Sure the spell has a save but vs. the martial types he would use this against (fighter/barbarian/paladin/ranger/psy warrior) there is a 75% (+/-) of failure, the sneak attack is then done vs. no dex, no shield w/ a +4 to hit and all damage is critical. Then the victim must fort save 10+damage dealt or die, this again would be on average troll impossible to save against.


this just showing equality of overpowering tactics

Bye bye fighter

Blightersbane