Item Creation and Table 5-1: Character Wealth by Level DMG

[Weeble]

I'm just wondering how this works. Looking at table 5-1 in the DMG, do you count the cost to make a magic item against character wealth by level, or do you count what the market value of the item would be? I'm assuming that, as table 5-1 states, character wealth by level is what is FOUND, as it states, not made.

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Originally posted by Weeble
Where is the rule stating that you subtract the money spent to create the item but add the full maket value to Character Wealth?
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"Ask this on the rules board and see what happens." --kreynolds.


Also- can you PLEASE show me where it says so in the rules?

 

[AGGEMAM]

It doesn't really say that, it just say you must pay ALL the costs including the XP cost.

If this is for making character above first level, why don't you just use the rules for that??

It is on page 42-43 of the DMG!!

 

[Weeble]

It doesn't really say that, it just say you must pay ALL the costs including the XP cost.

If this is for making character above first level, why don't you just use the rules for that??

It is on page 42-43 of the DMG!!

Actually, it has nothing to do with that. See House Rules Thread on similar subject by me.
And, yes, i've read p.42-43 before, very nice, those...

 

[SpikeyFreak]

That table is a guide, and is mostly for making characters above 1st level.

The DM can do either one.

I would just use what it actually cost the player to make it, not the actual market value.

If you went by those guidlines strictly, and did it by market value, you would be screwing the character out of gold, as well as makeing the ability to make items less powerful.

--Tinkerer Spikey

 

[Weeble]

That table is a guide, and is mostly for making characters above 1st level.

The DM can do either one.

I would just use what it actually cost the player to make it, not the actual market value.

If you went by those guidlines strictly, and did it by market value, you would be screwing the character out of gold, as well as makeing the ability to make items less powerful.

--Tinkerer Spikey

Thanks, SpikeyFreak. That is the answer I wanted to here.

 

[kreynolds]

That table is a guide, and is mostly for making characters above 1st level...<snip>

This topic is being continued here if you're interested, Spikey. I wouldn't mind getting some more input from you on this, or anyone else for that matter.

 

[Garmorn]

It says that you must pay all cost. If the character is not creating an item then full market value must be payed. If they able (DM permission, have the ep to spend, ect) and willing to make the item then they will have to pay the item creation cost.

Now if the DM only gave them enough ep to be say 4th level then they don't have the ep to spend. (You can't drop a level making item). Of course the DM could say other wise but then you must be prepared to make adjustments as the total value of the characters will be higher and the levels lower. A quick solution is simply give a few more ep for item creation. (Say another 10% above the minimum).

 

[(Psi)SeveredHead]

To make matters worse for that naked mage, how do you keep track of all those Scrolls of Shield you made at first level? What if you used the scrolls? Sold them? Lost them?

Better to use the table (and pay 70% of the cost). That's the benefit for those feats

 

[Weeble]

To make matters worse for that naked mage, how do you keep track of all those Scrolls of Shield you made at first level? What if you used the scrolls? Sold them? Lost them?

Better to use the table (and pay 70% of the cost). That's the benefit for those feats

huh?

 

[Ridley's Cohort]

To make matters worse for that naked mage, how do you keep track of all those Scrolls of Shield you made at first level? What if you used the scrolls? Sold them? Lost them?

Better to use the table (and pay 70% of the cost). That's the benefit for those feats

I deduce that you are alluding to the fact that the Wizard is likely to have spent xp and money on created items he no longer owns.

That line of thought applies equally to non-Wizards too.

The wealth guideline, to the extent it is useful, takes all that into account. It does not make sense to take wealth and xp away from a newly created 7th level Wizard any more than doing the same for a Barbarian.

If I asked you to make a 7th level Barbarian for my campaign, and then took away 5000 gp and 5000 xp, because "my campagin is pretty tough, and you must of drank a lot of potions and probably died once earlier on," you could rightly call me a blathering idiot. I should have asked you to make a 6th level Barbarian in the first place.

Same story with the Wizard.

Other than creating new characters, the wealth guidelines give the DM a guestimate of whether the PCs are "appropriately" magicked up relative to the CR system.