Its Official: I HATE Vitality/Wound. You?

[kenobi65]

The GM recently said Discipate Energy doesn't work on Lightsabers. Since there is no example of it working, I'm inclined to agree. However, that IS one less method of saving our butts form critical hell.

By the RAW, I believe that he's mistaken. Lightsabers do energy damage. Dissipate Energy works on energy damage. There is nothing in the description of Dissipate Energy that, explicitly or implicitly, indicates that it does not work on lightsaber damage. (Of course, if he's just house-ruled it, then it doesn't matter if his interpretation is right by the RAW.)

However, your point is a good one...if it does work vs. lightsabers, how come Qui-Gon, Mace, etc., etc. didn't use it?

Well, maybe one reason is that the save DC isn't low: it's 10+damage. If you've been critted with a 30-point blow from a heavy-duty Jedi-type, a DC40 Fort save isn't particularly makeable, even on a Force Point.

 

[kenobi65]

Form V (deflect Attack any shot that misses by 10(!) is equally as broken against anything that shoots blaster bolts and can't deflect itself.

Ah, but at least with Form V, the shooter has a viable defense: stay more than 1 range increment away from the Jedi in question...deflect blasters doesn't work for more than one range increment of the original weapon.

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

Well, maybe one reason is that the save DC isn't low: it's 10+damage. If you've been critted with a 30-point blow from a heavy-duty Jedi-type, a DC40 Fort save isn't particularly makeable, even on a Force Point.

If they roll a 20, they're fine.

Oh, and I believe he said the GM house-ruled it due to never seeing any evidence for it. Well, I think there IS evidence of it being used against lightsaber somewhere in one of the novels. I have a vague remembrance of a dissipate energy type situation with a lightsaber, but just can't pinpoint it.

 

[Remathilis]

If they roll a 20, they're fine.

Oh, and I believe he said the GM house-ruled it due to never seeing any evidence for it. Well, I think there IS evidence of it being used against lightsaber somewhere in one of the novels. I have a vague remembrance of a dissipate energy type situation with a lightsaber, but just can't pinpoint it.

You know, there might be. He just had the most disgusted reaction to the player who did it. He later used the trick to save Vader's life (see somewhere on page 4?) but thought it was horribly cheating and made Jedi invincible (in addition to no proof of it we could find) so that went out the door.

Under RAW though, I think your correct. However that nerf actually reduced its usefulness so much the player asked to take another feat instead.

 

[Ranger REG]

Ah, so you're relaying on DM fiat to save you, by assuming nobody exercises a coup de grace on you. That's not a rules-based argument.

No, but it is a valid RPG argument. I've not yet find a valid (if not perfect) health system that is simple and yet can emulate ALL of the injuries, traumas, and ailments in the real world. Should I just give up on RPG hobby because they've not progressed that far enough? No, because I have spent the early part of my life trying to find such a rules system.

But you know what I've realized. Spending so much time looking for fun takes up so much of the time I could have had fun.

Why would you need to roll a fort save to stay conscious any time you take WP damage?

To emulate going into shock after receiving serious trauma (any damage to the small WP is always a serious trauma), or simply passing out from the pain that associated with the serious trauma.

If the phrase "stay conscious" is misleading then perhaps "stunned" (in UA) or "knocked out" (in SW RCR) would be familiar to you, regarding their respective VP/WP system.

And one more thing, I don't rely on DM's fiat to save my PC's ass. By default, if he dies then he dies. It sucks but I'll live.

 

[genshou]

If they roll a 20, they're fine.

Oh, and I believe he said the GM house-ruled it due to never seeing any evidence for it. Well, I think there IS evidence of it being used against lightsaber somewhere in one of the novels. I have a vague remembrance of a dissipate energy type situation with a lightsaber, but just can't pinpoint it.

I'll have to look this one up when I get home, but IIRC this has something to do with Corran Horn's Jedi grandfather. Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but either way I need to re-read my SW novels.

However, from what I remember of the incident in question, the Jedi actually used the Force to drain all energy from the lightsaber AFTER having it fatally thrust through him. Now that's cool

 

[Remathilis]

I'll have to look this one up when I get home, but IIRC this has something to do with Corran Horn's Jedi grandfather. Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but either way I need to re-read my SW novels.

However, from what I remember of the incident in question, the Jedi actually used the Force to drain all energy from the lightsaber AFTER having it fatally thrust through him. Now that's cool

Too bad Drain Energy is a darkside skil...

 

[genshou]

Too bad Drain Energy is a darkside skil...

Ah, but it's something he did when he knew he was dead anyway, to save the other Jedi. I'd call that pretty heroic and self-sacrificing, and it seems like he could have possibly saved himself if he hadn't. I'll still have to look it up to know for certain, though.