D&D (2024) Its till just me or is the 2024 MM heavily infused by more 4e influences?

[dave2008]

even if there weren’t, that ignores two points. 1) most groups end before they get to high levels, 2) now the low levels are more magical already, just look at the races we have now

That has nothing to do with the question I was asking

 

[Hussar]

I mean, good grief, the first iconic setting in dnd gave us the Circle of Eight. Every village had multiple casters. There were multiple magic items everywhere.

Early DnD was not low magic.

But it was low casting. You could easily go entirely combats without a single spell being cast.

Now it’s unlikely to go a single round without multiple spells being cast.

That’s the difference.

 

[dave2008]

Important to the setting and suffusing every aspect of it in a visible way are not the same thing.

Sure. The suffusing every aspect is a play / gamist choice. I was talking about lore and setting narrative.

 

[mamba]

That has nothing to do with the question I was asking

no, but with whether D&D has become more magical, this is what this was about as far as I understand it

 

[dave2008]

In Dragonlance, even the PC spellcasters were looked at askance. Dark sun too.

I didn't realize that was the case in Dragonlance. I thought the colors meant you had good, neutral, and evil magic users.

 

[dave2008]

no, but with whether D&D has become more magical, this is what this was about as far as I understand it

But that was not what I was asking with my question. If I ask a question about scissors it would be odd to respond with an answer about paper, even if you were previously discussing paper.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Sure. The suffusing every aspect is a play / gamist choice. I was talking about lore and setting narrative.

If magic visibly suffuses the setting, then it's a setting issue.

 

[Micah Sweet]

I didn't realize that was the case in Dragonlance. I thought the colors meant you had good, neutral, and evil magic users.

You do, but non-mages in general don't trust any of them, no matter the color of their robe.

The new adventure probably softens that idea quite a bit, but that's what I grew up with so to me that's Dragonlance.

 

[Azzy]

I mean, good grief, the first iconic setting in dnd gave us the Circle of Eight. Every village had multiple casters. There were multiple magic items everywhere.

Yeah, and that's not to mention the Known World/Mystara which was also pretty high magic.

 

[dave2008]

You do, but non-mages in general don't trust any of them, no matter the color of their robe.

The new adventure probably softens that idea quite a bit, but that's what I grew up with so to me that's Dragonlance.

I only read about 7-8 of the novels (one a series of short stories) and I didn't catch on that (that I remember, it has be 40 years). Was it part of the RPG products? I only had one module.