Just Finished Dark Tower 7 Want Opnions (TOTAL SPOILERS)
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JoeGKushner
Adventurer
Now the real question, is when does the filming start?
After all, if LoTR can be made into a fantastic trilogy, surely the Dark Tower can make billions in seven film installments no?
After all, if LoTR can be made into a fantastic trilogy, surely the Dark Tower can make billions in seven film installments no?
The_Universe
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You should really read through the 4th book, at least. In fact, the first 6 books are excellent, but it will be harder to stop if you go past 4 (Wizard and Glass).jester47 said:
Merlion
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The entire series is fantastic, even the 7th one is wonderful fun to read, he just doesnt do a very good job of ending any of the various things.
Unfortunitly, it would have to undergoe extreme editing to be made into a movie, at least in the US. Theres way to much weird stuff and "adult" stuff.
But I'd love to see it, especially if it was done while Clint Eastwood is still alive so he can play Roland.
Nyarlathotep
Explorer
I just finished Book 7 last night and I guess I'm in the minority, because I really liked the ending. I had a hard time getting into the book for the first couple of hundred of pages, but I'm not sure if that was because it seemed a little disjointed or that I personally didn't want to read it (generally speaking last books in a series are a huge dissapointment - The Rune Lords anyone?). Once I got going with it though, I really liked it. I suppose one of the things I really liked was the "metafiction" aspects of the whole thing. The ending itself was not at all what I expected and I suspect that I will be reading the whole series a few more times to pick up on some of the little nuances that I probably missed.
Anyways... just stopped in to say I thought it was excellent!
Anyways... just stopped in to say I thought it was excellent!
Zulithe
Explorer
According to some recent reports, a third installment of The Talisman/Black House series is in the future. So, The Dark Tower goes on afterall!
About movies, I don't think we'll see The Dark Tower on the big screen -- ever. It's a TV series waiting to happen. In the unlikely event of a movie franchise, I think they will cut it down to 3 or 4 movies max. Tolkien's writing is very dense, so naturally LotR had to be a trilogy (despite how much was left out/added *sigh* it was still great to see), however King's writing style drags things out, there is a lot of fluff in the story and I feel it could be cut down to fewer movies without a loss in overall quality or restructuring of the plot.
I hope we will see one or the other in our lifetimes
It may not be perfect but I'm still glad I read it.
About movies, I don't think we'll see The Dark Tower on the big screen -- ever. It's a TV series waiting to happen. In the unlikely event of a movie franchise, I think they will cut it down to 3 or 4 movies max. Tolkien's writing is very dense, so naturally LotR had to be a trilogy (despite how much was left out/added *sigh* it was still great to see), however King's writing style drags things out, there is a lot of fluff in the story and I feel it could be cut down to fewer movies without a loss in overall quality or restructuring of the plot.
I hope we will see one or the other in our lifetimes
It may not be perfect but I'm still glad I read it.
Merlion
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Hmm...he's been claiming for some time that he isnt going to be publishing anything else after the last book of the Dark Tower, and from its nature and the afterword I tend to think it might actually be true.
Of course, theortically Peter Straub could continue the Talisman angle.
I dont see size as as much of a problem as the content and nature of the story. Theres a lot of stuff in the books that they arent going to show on TV or in a movie in the US.
And that aside, the whole nature, theme, and structure of the stories dont lend themselves to standard movie plotting. The first one in particular is so surreal and disjointed..
I mean, I'd love to see it, but I think its pretty unlikely.
Fiery James
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Just finished Book 7 myself, about 15 minutes ago. Don't know what it says about me that my first thought was, "Now I can go read that spoiler thread on ENWorld!" (Sad, but true!)
Here are some possible explanations:
1) It's all true. He says, "Don't blame me, I just wrote it down!" and that's exactly what happened. Can't be angry at the story, just like you can't be angry when it rains -- that's just life.
2) The universe does or doesn't reset, and it doesn't matter, 'cause the entire thing is a story and those realities only exist in King's head. I don't mean this in a nyah-nyah cynical Comic Book online fan who always responds, "Of course Collosus wasn't dead -- it's a comic book! They're not real people!" kind of way -- those guys are @$$holes. I mean it in a deeper way, where countless realities actually exist -- in our minds -- and the story we just read is the reality of King's mind, so there's no real universe to reset.
And playing on that angle -- of course things can work out differently... after all, the Gunslinger I read earlier this year was different from the one that a friend read a decade ago... It was actually changed by the continuing story (the revised edition, which was re-written to bring it into line with the later books.
I have no problem, really, with the Roland ending. I mean, really, I don't know any possible reveal for the top room of the Dark Tower that could have had the impact I'd built up -- unless, of course, Roland opened my bedroom door as I read that last page (man, wouldn't that be wild!!)
I do agree that the journey was more important than the story, in this case. I'll give the series this -- it makes me want to play D&D -- and not just a few adventures, but a campaign that has meaning and some giant payoff. Can you imagine the sheer emotion of running a campaign like the Dark Tower for years, and having that last character marching into the tower, finally? That would be awesome. I want to do that.
And, I guess that's why I'm ok with the ending -- the Tower is back and healthy, and new universes are being generated by my imagination.
Of course, now that I'm finally finished, I can get on to all those other things that need to be done, like cleaning up my office, some layout stuff, and writing adventures that are epic in nature!!
You do know that sharing all of these thoughts makes us ka-tet, right?
My 2 cents.
- JB
Here are some possible explanations:
1) It's all true. He says, "Don't blame me, I just wrote it down!" and that's exactly what happened. Can't be angry at the story, just like you can't be angry when it rains -- that's just life.
2) The universe does or doesn't reset, and it doesn't matter, 'cause the entire thing is a story and those realities only exist in King's head. I don't mean this in a nyah-nyah cynical Comic Book online fan who always responds, "Of course Collosus wasn't dead -- it's a comic book! They're not real people!" kind of way -- those guys are @$$holes. I mean it in a deeper way, where countless realities actually exist -- in our minds -- and the story we just read is the reality of King's mind, so there's no real universe to reset.
And playing on that angle -- of course things can work out differently... after all, the Gunslinger I read earlier this year was different from the one that a friend read a decade ago... It was actually changed by the continuing story (the revised edition, which was re-written to bring it into line with the later books.
I have no problem, really, with the Roland ending. I mean, really, I don't know any possible reveal for the top room of the Dark Tower that could have had the impact I'd built up -- unless, of course, Roland opened my bedroom door as I read that last page (man, wouldn't that be wild!!)
I do agree that the journey was more important than the story, in this case. I'll give the series this -- it makes me want to play D&D -- and not just a few adventures, but a campaign that has meaning and some giant payoff. Can you imagine the sheer emotion of running a campaign like the Dark Tower for years, and having that last character marching into the tower, finally? That would be awesome. I want to do that.
And, I guess that's why I'm ok with the ending -- the Tower is back and healthy, and new universes are being generated by my imagination.
Of course, now that I'm finally finished, I can get on to all those other things that need to be done, like cleaning up my office, some layout stuff, and writing adventures that are epic in nature!!
You do know that sharing all of these thoughts makes us ka-tet, right?
My 2 cents.
- JB
The_Universe
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That last line reminds me of one thing - King really created a language throughout this series, and it really does seem to have meaning above and beyond some of the words in our own real languages.
I raise my gun to the ka-tet of enworld!
I raise my gun to the ka-tet of enworld!
Starman
Adventurer
*casts resurrect thread*
Well, I finally got around to reading the last two books in the series. I didn't mind Roland's ending as much as others, though it certainly isn't close to anything I've imagined over the years since I started reading the series.
The biggest disappointments to me were:
1) Mordred. When he was born, he was very creepy and seemed like he would be an excellent nemesis. Too bad that didn't happen. He was a pathetic stalker and then died far too easily.
2)The death of Walter/Flagg. So, the guy who's been set up as one of the major villains of the series dies pathetically to another villain without our hero being involved in any way, shape, or form? Whatever.
3)Crimson King. We finally meet the number one bad guy and he's an insane Father Christmas look-alike who slings Harry Potter "sneetches" and gets locked out of the Tower. Real inspiring.
There were lots of things I liked about the last book, but these three things really bugged me.
Starman
Well, I finally got around to reading the last two books in the series. I didn't mind Roland's ending as much as others, though it certainly isn't close to anything I've imagined over the years since I started reading the series.
The biggest disappointments to me were:
1) Mordred. When he was born, he was very creepy and seemed like he would be an excellent nemesis. Too bad that didn't happen. He was a pathetic stalker and then died far too easily.
2)The death of Walter/Flagg. So, the guy who's been set up as one of the major villains of the series dies pathetically to another villain without our hero being involved in any way, shape, or form? Whatever.
3)Crimson King. We finally meet the number one bad guy and he's an insane Father Christmas look-alike who slings Harry Potter "sneetches" and gets locked out of the Tower. Real inspiring.
There were lots of things I liked about the last book, but these three things really bugged me.
Starman
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