D&D 5E Just One More Thing: The Power of "No" in Design (aka, My Fun, Your Fun, and BadWrongFun)

[Maxperson]

Not in my personal experience when we actually played it out in 1E. In 5E it will depend on too many factors to list.

You're making a lot of assumptions about what the wizard will have available while also assuming the fighter has nothing beneficial.

Not really. The wizard will also have magic items, so it's a wash there.

And I also played 1e. The fighter generally lost once they reach 7th level unless the fighter was right next to the wizard to start.

But I will chalk this up to one of the silliest arguments I've gotten involved with lately. Can we talk about who would win a fight between Superman and Batman next?

Clearly Superbat would win.

 

[Umbran]

In my particular case, 1e and mid-high level.

Stoneskin will already on.

Um... I'm pretty sure Stoneskin is a 2nd Edition spell. You are about to complain about magic boots, when your wizard is casting spells from another edition?

I want that to give you pause. Consider how you are approaching this discussion.

That's far more likely than the fighter just always happening to be right next to him.

Is the assumption that fighter is (literally) terminally stupid? If they have a choice in the matter, they're going to hold off becoming clearly hostile until they have a chance to act effectively. The fighter will set up for success if at all possible. Even a character with average intelligence knows that anything equivalent to, "draw sword, scream, and sprint the full length of the throne room to strike the wizard" is suicide. So... they wouldn't do that! Such an action should not be part of your consideration.

Discussion of face-offs that don't include context are... not fruitful.

 

[seebs]

I think Stoneskin was originally added in Unearthed Arcana.

 

[Oofta]

Not really. The wizard will also have magic items, so it's a wash there.

And I also played 1e. The fighter generally lost once they reach 7th level unless the fighter was right next to the wizard to start.


Clearly Superbat would win.

All I can say is that I did this very thing in 1E. While I don't remember our PC's levels Mike, the guy running the wizard, also thought he would win. Even though my fighter lost initiative and wasn't adjacent he still won the fight. If my fighter had won initiative (something you also ignore) the wizards wouldn't even have had a chance to do anything.

Then again we didn't assume the wizard had Batman levels of prep ahead of the duel.

 

[hawkeyefan]

If only there was some way to simulate such a confrontation and see how it would play out without having to rely on prediction....

 

[Garthanos]

Then again we didn't assume the wizard had Batman levels of prep ahead of the duel.

Using the word ahem "duel" generally means yes you can be pretty prepared. /just saying

 

[Oofta]

Using the word ahem "duel" generally means yes you can be pretty prepared. /just saying

But also assuming that only the wizard can prep. Oh, and that the fighter isn't Batman.

 

[lowkey13]

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[Lanefan]

But I will chalk this up to one of the silliest arguments I've gotten involved with lately.

Happy to oblige. Silly arguments are my specialty.

Can we talk about who would win a fight between Superman and Batman next?

Who would win is anyone who didn't bother to watch it.

 

[lowkey13]

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