Just to clear the air, 4th edtion has been out for a few years now.

[JRRNeiklot]

There are some folks here I wouldn't want to wait behind in the MacDonald's order line. I mean, there are *sooo* many options (how many freakin' burgers are there?).

Some folks just need a smaller list of options in their game, because too many options overwhelms and confuses them.

Quasqueton

And there are some folks whom I wouldn't piss on if they were on fire. Your point?

 

[Quasqueton]

Your point?

Some folks just need a smaller list of options in their game, because too many options overwhelms and confuses them.

You said that you take 3 weeks to create a character (claiming all seriousness).

Quasqueton

 

[I'm A Banana]

Spidey sense is tingling!

Side 1: "Hackmaster is teh bawm, mang! 3e sucks donkeys! LOL!"
Side 2: "STFU, n00b, 3e rocks, Hackmaster is all up in my kool-aid! ROTFL!"
Moderator: "Look, can you chuckleheads fight without name-calling?"

I think I saved everyone some valuable time, there.
I am Kamikaze Midget: ECONOMIZER! TIME-SAIVNG DEVICE! ORACLE OF THE FUTURE! You will give unto me your pies! Orc not included!

 

[JRRNeiklot]

Well, Quasimodo comes off as offensive in almost every post he makes. Seems like if someone finds something with 3e they don't like, it's like they bitch-slapped his grandma or something.

 

[Quasqueton]

That was not hyperbole. I meant it. Deciding feats, prestige classes and all takes me weeks.

Um, you said this about yourself. How am *I* being offensive?

Quasqueton

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

I just honestly can't believe anyone can create a 3e character quicker than a hackmaster character. Now, maybe if you decide on playing a straight ranger or wizard or whatever, it is. But if you EVER want a prestige class, you have to plan it out from level one.

This, of course, is hyperbole bordering on outright lying.

For instance, I have a character right now who qualifies for a Prestige Class I'm interested in taking, which was not even published when I started playing the character.

So, no, you don't have to plan from level 1 in order to take a PrC. You might have to plan from level 1 if you want to take it as absolutely early as possible - and wouldn't that just be metagaming?

 

[Mouseferatu]

Almost three pages, and no major flames breaking out, just a couple of sparks. I think this is a new record for a Hackmaster thread.

Someone spoke too soon, methinks. :\

 

[egomann]

Yeah, just a bit too soon.

 

[JRRNeiklot]

This, of course, is hyperbole bordering on outright lying.

For instance, I have a character right now who qualifies for a Prestige Class I'm interested in taking, which was not even published when I started playing the character.

So, no, you don't have to plan from level 1 in order to take a PrC. You might have to plan from level 1 if you want to take it as absolutely early as possible - and wouldn't that just be metagaming?

How does a fighter qualify for a prestige class that requires say, 7 ranks of diplomacy without planning ahead of time? Especially a fighter who has no interest in diplomacy, yet still wants to be a member of a prestige class that requires those ranks? He plans from level one. He does not reach level 11 with no ranks of diplomacy and all of a sudden cram 7 ranks in it. He allocates those ranks from word go, or he multiclasses to cleric or rogue, which again, is thought out beforehand. But since I'm a liar, and probably a thief and a rapist too, I'll just refrain from any more posts on the matter.

 

[MerricB]

One thing I have always *hated* about Hackmaster is the microtype the GMG is printed in. (If I had ever got around to reviewing it, it would have gotten only one star, because I find it physically painful to read).

I think that if I ever did play Hackmaster (as a serious game), I'd have to get rid of skills, talents, building points and the character background tables, and keep honor and the basic race/class abilities. And I'm not sure about honor. Percentile ratings and improvement for ability scores are great, and those are keepable.

I really don't think I can express how much I utterly hate the skill system. Arrggghhh!!!!