D&D General Kara Tur 5e

I don't see there being a good reason for Spirit Folk being a separate species in 5e, either they're a Planetouched species like Genasi, or they're Elves. With there being East Asian Elves featured in the PHB art (such as on the back cover), there's absolutely no reason for certain PC species not existing on this side of the world like they had in the old books.
Hmm, I’d have to strongly disagree. Elves and dwarves are very distinctly Western, the D&D versions of Tolkien archetypes and European myths, and there shouldn’t really be Japanese elves or Chinese dwarves.

There are of course Asian myths which resemble those archetypes - orang bunian are often portrayed as looking elven in Malaysian films but that’s basically cultural shorthand, they’re quite different.

If there are going to be spirit folk then I’d like it to be clear what myths they’re based on and what role they play in the setting - as written in OA they’re basically nymphs and I have no idea what Asian myths they’re supposed to be representing.

Going back to East Asian myths there’s definitely room for shapeshifters, which are basically Feng Shui transformed animals - animals who have attained sapience and the ability to take human form from living for a very long time (the Korean versions are often called “thousand year old tiger” or similar) or by meditation and enlightenment.

Other non-human races are a bit less obvious and possibly not necessary, and so yes then you could take the “elves and dwarves are just funny looking humans” route that the recently announced Japanese Kara Tur adventure has apparently taken.
 

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Hmm, I’d have to strongly disagree. Elves and dwarves are very distinctly Western, the D&D versions of Tolkien archetypes and European myths, and there shouldn’t really be Japanese elves or Chinese dwarves.

There are of course Asian myths which resemble those archetypes - orang bunian are often portrayed as looking elven in Malaysian films but that’s basically cultural shorthand, they’re quite different.

If there are going to be spirit folk then I’d like it to be clear what myths they’re based on and what role they play in the setting - as written in OA they’re basically nymphs and I have no idea what Asian myths they’re supposed to be representing.

Going back to East Asian myths there’s definitely room for shapeshifters, which are basically Feng Shui transformed animals - animals who have attained sapience and the ability to take human form from living for a very long time (the Korean versions are often called “thousand year old tiger” or similar) or by meditation and enlightenment.

Other non-human races are a bit less obvious and possibly not necessary, and so yes then you could take the “elves and dwarves are just funny looking humans” route that the recently announced Japanese Kara Tur adventure has apparently taken.
There's not only East Asian Elves in the PHB, the same picture that has an East Asian Elf has a Gnome with African features in it. The Halfling species art, has a Halfling mother and her child that look South Asian. The Iconic Cleric Picture in the PHB is of a Dwarf with East Asian features. The Iconic Rogue is a Halfling that looks like she's Latina.

It's done, they've outright gone with the "Elves and Dwarves are funny looking Human route". Those justifications you mentioned above do not fit with the Inclusiveness they're going with. It's why for example even in the picture of Elves as a group, they show at least one Elf that looks African and another that looks East Asian (despite having green skin and orange hair).
 

There's not only East Asian Elves in the PHB, the same picture that has an East Asian Elf has a Gnome with African features in it. The Halfling species art, has a Halfling mother and her child that look South Asian. The Iconic Cleric Picture in the PHB is of a Dwarf with East Asian features. The Iconic Rogue is a Halfling that looks like she's Latina.

It's done, they've outright gone with the "Elves and Dwarves are funny looking Human route". Those justifications you mentioned above do not fit with the Inclusiveness they're going with. It's why for example even in the picture of Elves as a group, they show at least one Elf that looks African and another that looks East Asian (despite having green skin and orange hair).
Yes, that’s fair, and as such I’ve got no problems with that. Spirit folk aren’t elves, though, I just have no idea what they are. If the writers don’t know either, they probably shouldn’t be included.
 

Yes, that’s fair, and as such I’ve got no problems with that. Spirit folk aren’t elves, though, I just have no idea what they are. If the writers don’t know either, they probably shouldn’t be included.
In OA they seemed to be the offspring of mortals and semi-divine nature spirits. Sort of a liminal space between Genasi and Aasimar.

I'd like to see the existing species used where appropriate. It makes too much sense to not just say korobokuru are the local name for forest gnomes.

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In OA they seemed to be the offspring of mortals and semi-divine nature spirits. Sort of a liminal space between Genasi and Aasimar.

I'd like to see the existing species used where appropriate. It makes too much sense to not just say korobokuru are the local name for forest gnomes.

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It’s not a bad match at all, since they’re based on this Ainu myth:


They’re probably not dwarves.
 

Going back to East Asian myths there’s definitely room for shapeshifters, which are basically Feng Shui transformed animals - animals who have attained sapience and the ability to take human form from living for a very long time (the Korean versions are often called “thousand year old tiger” or similar) or by meditation and enlightenment.
The Hengeyokai and the Kitsune being two such examples of shapeshifters in East Asian myths. There were also non-shapeshifting anthropomorphic animals like the Tengu/Kenku.

In OA they seemed to be the offspring of mortals and semi-divine nature spirits. Sort of a liminal space between Genasi and Aasimar.
Heroes of the Jade Oath by Rite Publishing had the Shenxue. These Spirit Born had individuals who resembled the Genasi (Cloud Shenxue, Mountain Shenxue). But some of them also looked like PF1's Idyllkin Aasimar, who sported some animal features (tails, ears, feathery hair, etc.).

Some Shenxue were the offspring of mortals and semi-divine nature spirits. Other Shenxue were former spirits who became mortal because of some transgression they committed in the Spirit Realm.

3e's Manual of the Planes had the Spirit Realm as an option.
 

I've been thinking about Cultivation and what this means for Species like Kitsune or Vanara.
For instance Sun Wukong despite being born of a stone egg begins life as a normal monkey, a mortal beast, ignorant and joyful, until he witnessed the death of another monkey and so dared to ask "how may I live forever?" - he then leaves his home and becomes a disciple of the sage Subhodi which begins his cultivation (the 72 Earthly Transformations).
Equally the Kitsune begins as a normal fox who gains sentience, the 100 Yr old Koi becomes a dragon and theres various examples of mortals who become celestials or demons, such as ChiYou the Chief of the Jiuli tribe who fought the Yellow Emperor. He is beheaded but then returns as a god of war and chaos demon.

So what if there were no Species and instead everyone starts with a Cultivation Path (Dao). SO Kitsune/Kumiho/Hồ Ly Tinh has the Transformation Path
Tier 1
(Level 1 to 5) One Tail= Awakened Fox, Two Tail - Transformation
Tier 2 (Level 6 to 10) Three Tail Fox - Charm, Illusion
Tier 3 (Level 11 to 15) Five Tail - Possession, Heal, Pyschic Drain
Tier 4 (Level 16 to 19)Seven Tail Fox = Soul Magic
Tier 5 (Level 20) Nine Tail Fox -Divine Immortal

Sun Wukong starts with the Great Sage Path but due to arrogance and defiance of heaven switches to the Path of Immortal Demons until he is punished by Buddha and forced on to the Dao of Purification (The Journey to the West).

It might be getting a bit convoluted, and I need to better explore my thoughts - but essentially every PC gets to define their own heritage/lineage and Cultivate their own Dao
 

It might be getting a bit convoluted, and I need to better explore my thoughts - but essentially every PC gets to define their own heritage/lineage and Cultivate their own Dao
Each Cultivation Path could be a Feat Chain of sorts, one separate from the feats a character can get through their class. PF2 sort of does it this way by having both Ancestral Feats and Class Feats (among all of the other feats that RPG offers. :p ). This way your character is advancing as a class and the member of a particular ancestry.

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This is a Swifttail Enkoh from Ryoko's Guide to the Yokai Realms.
 

ok question

How much can you actually do when writing up a fictional China before you trigger the PRC?

I've had this writeup for my own work on my hard drive for years that I was itching to post, but been hesitant to avoid ending up on a list.
 


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