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Keep your filthy points of light away from me!

Kae'Yoss

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Who else doesn't like that 4e forces the Points of Light campaign philosophy down our throats?

It may be nice for some campaigns, but I can't be the only one who thinks that it's not the only way you can set up a world.
 

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The_Gneech

Explorer
I'm not exactly a big ol' 4E cheerleader, but this does seem a little bit of an overreaction to what is basically hot air from marketing.

-The Gneech :cool:
 

Wolfspider

First Post
Zurai said:
Errr... pray tell, how are they doing that?

Well, for one, by making very radical changes to the Forgotten Realms so that it more closely fits that model. For many FR fans, that's pretty gag-inducing.
 


Shieldhaven

First Post
I have to say, as long as WotC is planning on making Fourth Edition Eberron-compatible, they won't be hardcoding "points of light" into the rules design. (I have no idea how they'd do this in the first place, but that's another matter.)

The only sense in which I can see the setting assumptions being written into the system is with magic items. 3.x assumed that people could sink money into purchasing magic items with relative ease. You didn't have to play that way, but in my experience, going against that pattern caused some odd things to happen. Of the many changes they're making, the changes to magic items strike me as being the point on which they have been the most silent. (Obviously my own curiosity should be factored into that bias.)

Haven
 

Rechan

Adventurer
Wolfspider said:
Well, for one, by making very radical changes to the Forgotten Realms so that it more closely fits that model. For many FR fans, that's pretty gag-inducing.
I'm impressed FR fans even have a gag reflex by now. :eek:

I kid, I kid. Just that it seems like FR's signature is someone hitting the 'undo' button a lot.
 



BlackMoria

First Post
I'm with Kae'Yoss on this. It is being rammed down the throat of most Realms fans.

Let's use the analogy of making your home renovations.

Changes to the Eberron home - let's put this nice shelving unit over there. Done.

Changes to the Forgotten Realms home - let's toss out the furniture. While we at it, lets tear out the walls, wiring and plumbing. In fact, lets take it down to the framing studs and start over.

The latter is only desirable if you want a complete makeover. However, it is not desirable if you just wanted a new hot tub and to put in some new track lighting.

Change in the Realms is a given... and expected. Hot Tub, track lighting please.

The contractor is coming in and tearing out my walls and telling me that I will be happy with results. All I wanted was the frikkin' hot tub and track lighting...
 

crazy_cat

Explorer
Wolfspider said:
Well, for one, by making very radical changes to the Forgotten Realms so that it more closely fits that model. For many FR fans, that's pretty gag-inducing.
Yet funnily enough, other FR fans think it could just be quite a good idea. Personal opinions and all that. YMMV. IMO etc etc.....

On the other hand, we could all just totally over react and panic. OMG. The sky is falling....
 

Rechan

Adventurer
You know, I am not fully up to snuff on my Realmslore, but I thought that at least Greenwood's realms was pretty Points of Light. That it was a dark place and it was very dangerous, and there was crap that lurked around every corner.

Problem is with the Chosen and the Harpers and etc etc etc running around sprinkling spot lights between the points of light.
 

Zurai

First Post
Wolfspider said:
Well, for one, by making very radical changes to the Forgotten Realms so that it more closely fits that model. For many FR fans, that's pretty gag-inducing.

That's not what the OP was saying, though. He made the very specific claim that they're setting it up in such a way that they're presenting it as, and I quote, "the only way to set up a world".

So I ask, again: how are they doing this, exactly?
 

Wolfspider

First Post
crazy_cat said:
Yet funnily enough, other FR fans think it could just be quite a good idea. Personal opinions and all that. YMMV. IMO etc etc.....

On the other hand, we could all just totally over react and panic. OMG. The sky is falling....

That's why, funnily enough, I used the qualifier "many."
 

Wolfspider

First Post
Zurai said:
That's not what the OP was saying, though. He made the very specific claim that they're setting it up in such a way that they're presenting it as, and I quote, "the only way to set up a world".

So I ask, again: how are they doing this, exactly?

I see.

I don't have enough information to tell if the "points of light" philosophy will impact the rules or will simply be "easily" removed fluff.
 

BlackMoria

First Post
So I ask, again: how are they doing this, exactly?

In a nutshell, they are allegedly advancing the time line 100 years and introducing a event called the Spellplague that happened 100 years earlier, which based on info from GHotR, results in the destruction of gods, planes of existence, magic and changing the fabric of reality (implying the geography is changing somewhat as well).

The sample chapter from The Orc King jmplies a world changed and largely still in chaos and it is hinted that civilizations largely collapsed during the spellplague and are still trying to recover 100 years later.

Points of Light....
 


Zurai

First Post
BlackMoria said:
In a nutshell, they are allegedly advancing the time line 100 years and introducing a event called the Spellplague that happened 100 years earlier, which based on info from GHotR, results in the destruction of gods, planes of existence, magic and changing the fabric of reality (implying the geography is changing somewhat as well).

The sample chapter from The Orc King jmplies a world changed and largely still in chaos and it is hinted that civilizations largely collapsed during the spellplague and are still trying to recover 100 years later.

Points of Light....

That only applies to FR (and it's not all proven, either - that's conjecture from a single book which has only ever been tangentally related to official FR mechanics).

The OP said that WotC is ramming this down EVERY player's throat and that they're marketing it as "the only way to set up a world".
 

BlackMoria

First Post
How is this new? After the Time of Troubles, I would think Realms fans' throats would be like big old subway tunnels anyway.

It is the scale. If you play the Realms, getting stuff rammed down the throat is somewhat of a given.

The net sum of the Time of Troubles (which didn't turn everyone's crank, I agree), the changes amounted to killing three gods off, promoting replacements, and put limits on some magic. Easy enough to retcon if you didn't like.

This time, they are killing off a whole whack of gods, destroying planes, and changing the game world (geographically, magically, politically, economically, etc) on a very large scale way which will be very hard to retcon short of totally ignoring the whole affair.
 

Desdichado

Adventurer
BlackMoria said:
This time, they are killing off a whole whack of gods, destroying planes, and changing the game world (geographically, magically, politically, economically, etc) on a very large scale way which will be very hard to retcon short of totally ignoring the whole affair.
And that's... difficult to do, somehow?
 

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