Ki Focus and Spiderkissed

[DracoSuave]

Well.... let's see.

In order to get the bonuses to poison powers, you have to be using poison powers.

In order to do that with non-poison powers, you have to be using a power of an item that has the poison keyword.

So, there's two cases here.

1) You're using a power with the poison keyword, which means you're not using the ki-focus because it says, explicitly, you cannot use powers of the weapon if you use the ki-focus.
2) You're not using a power with the poison keyword so the ki-focus doesn't cancel it out. That means you're not using an item power with your other power, which means the other power can't inherit the poison keyword.

So... how do you expect this to work?

 

[Ryujin]

I disagree that your refutation is valid. My proposition is that I am not using the power of a spiderkissed or a paired weapon when I'm making an attack with it. I've already used the power, and that action to use the power is over. Can you explain how I am using the power of the paired weapon or spiderkissed weapon when I am making an attack, yet I'm performing no action to use these powers. As you said, I can only use the powers and properties of the ki focus when I'm making an attack that's enhanced by it. You are not addressing the point of my argument, you're stonewalling.

A possible counter argument would be as follows:
1. Through an interpretation of grammar, "using a power" includes: "utilizing the effects of a power AND performing the power as an action."
2. An interpretation of powers, properties, and items: The only way items can be modified is through gaining powers, properties, or enhancements, so any modification to a weapon is one of these. When the spiderkissed or paired weapon powers activate, they're giving those items a property of dealing poison damage or 'exsisting in a pair'.
3. This effect is not within the spirit of the rules, so it should be overriden by a DM.

Your argument doesn't mitigate for being able to use the Spiderkissed Weapon's poison ability, but rather against being able to use that of the Paired Weapon.