D&D 5E Kobolds are also from the Feywild now?

[Cadence]

Yep. My PDF of the 3rd edition 1979 7th printing says:

GOBLINS (and Kobolds): Goblins and Kobolds see well in dimness or dark, but they do not like bright light. When fighting in full daylight or bright light they must subtract 1 from their Morale Rating, as well as 1 from any die rolled. Because of their reciprocal hatred, Hoblins (Kobolds) will automatically attack any Dwarves (Gnomes) within charging distance. Hobgoblins fight as Armored Foot and defend as Heavy Foot. Their Point Value is 2 1/2 .
Morale Rating — 5 Point Value — 1 1/2

So the gnome hatred seems to be there as well.

There is a note in the 1979 printing that says it is revised and expanded so I could not say what the original that OD&D was based on specifically said.

Was that your typo, their typo, or a never-seen-again crossbreed race? Because knowing D&D, hoblins could be a legitimate monster.

Chainmail seemed to double up a lot of things with similar combat stats:

Sprites and Pixies
Dwarves and Gnomes
Goblins and Kobolds
Elves and Fairies
Heroes and Anti-Heroes
Trolls and Ogres
Rocs (including Wyverns and Griffons)
Elementals (including Djinn and Efrett)
Basilisk and Cockatrice
Wights and Ghouls

From the parentheses used in the descriptions, it looks like Dwarves and Goblins were opposite numbers as were Gnomes and Kobolds.

 

[Parmandur]

Whoops, that's the background I use for them in my 5E games.

3E, 4E, and 5E have all had radically different origins for Shadar-Kai:

• 3E: Fey bound to the Plane of Shadow
• 4E: Corrupted humans from the Shadowfell
• 5E: Elves who pursued a "Third Way" in defiance of both Corellon and Lloth, following the Raven Queen into the Shadowfell

 

[Parmandur]

Yes there is, WotC has explicitly said that lore heritage doesn't matter and that 5e shall be viewed as a blank slate lorevise.

Exactly. And when the lore heritage doesn't exist, races are whatever skins without lore to lean on for background and story etc there are not a lot of connection between tables. Yet again, the changes doesn't impact my table, so it's not a biggie. But as a player and DM since the 80ies I am still sad when decades of lore and lore heritage are thrown in the waste basket and officially declared redundant.

And you think that this is a change from what was happening before?

 

[Cadence]

And you think that this is a change from what was happening before?

What were the biggest changes from 1e to 2e to 3e that you remember? (Serious question, for most of the creatures it's a blur to me).


Edit: When did Green Dragons stop breathing chlorine gas?

 

[Parmandur]

What were the biggest changes from 1e to 2e to 3e that you remember? (Serious question, for most of the creatures it's a blur to me).

There was no before 3E, obviously, for a start.

But it seems that just about every monster and race gets changed and modified publication to publication, let alone Edition to Edition, and always has. And that tables don't necessarily follow 'The Lore," so why should WotC be persnikity about it? the current approach seems realistic for TTRPG use.

 

[AdmundfortGeographer]

What were the biggest changes from 1e to 2e to 3e that you remember? (Serious question, for most of the creatures it's a blur to me).


Edit: When did Green Dragons stop breathing chlorine gas?

I think towards the end of 2e kobolds we’re getting associated with dragons. The Dragon Mountain boxed set had a kobold clan that was protected by a dragon that had a section that felt like a Tucker’s Kobolds homage.

 

[steeldragons]

Edit: When did Green Dragons stop breathing chlorine gas?

Never, ?, as far as I am aware.

 

[Cadence]

Never, ?, as far as I am aware.

Ok, had to go look it up. It looks like 3.5 was the big offender, but then 4's switch back left out the chlorine specification of what kind of poisonous

1: cloud of poisonous chlorine gas
Moldvay: chlorine gas, cloud
2: cloud of poisonous chlorine gas
3.5: a cone of corrosive (acid) gas
4: clouds of poisonous gas
5: poisonous gas

 

[Vaalingrade]

I changed them to breath a concentrated 'life' energy, which makes all the natural fungus spores we're almost always covered in to sprout and drive roots into the victim's bodies, predigesting them for the beaked, toothless green to consume.

 

[Weiley31]

3E, 4E, and 5E have all had radically different origins for Shadar-Kai:

• 3E: Fey bound to the Plane of Shadow
• 4E: Corrupted humans from the Shadowfell
• 5E: Elves who pursued a "Third Way" in defiance of both Corellon and Lloth, following the Raven Queen into the Shadowfell

Yeah, my background for the Shadar-kai in my games is that the Fey of the Shadowfell(3E) "mingled"(aka: do it like they do on the discovery channel) with the ancestor human servants of the 4E Raven Queen, and that gave birth to their current descendants: The Shadar-Kai. So that's the explanation for where their Fey Ancestry comes from in my 5E games.