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Laptops at the table..and recent research showing how bad it is in education..does it carry over to gaming?

I use my Ipad with the Hero Lab App at the table recently, and i tdoes wonders for my keeping track of special conditions at the table - if i'm dazzled, or grappled, or prone (or all three!) i know at the touch of a button what those will cumulatively do to my stats. I can also keep better track of ammo, equipment, money, etc.

I also make sure not to use any internet apps while gaming, too - distracted gaming is rude no matter the source, and if you can't use other devices at the table without being distracted by them (as in literally can't use a smartphone without surfing your email or youtube) then you have a social responsibility to take care of that yourself, whether it's by self banning or exercising more control. It's that simple. It would be as rude as changing channels at a SuperBowl party.
 

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I use my Ipad with the Hero Lab App at the table recently, and i tdoes wonders for my keeping track of special conditions at the table - if i'm dazzled, or grappled, or prone (or all three!) i know at the touch of a button what those will cumulatively do to my stats. I can also keep better track of ammo, equipment, money, etc.

I also make sure not to use any internet apps while gaming, too - distracted gaming is rude no matter the source, and if you can't use other devices at the table without being distracted by them (as in literally can't use a smartphone without surfing your email or youtube) then you have a social responsibility to take care of that yourself, whether it's by self banning or exercising more control. It's that simple. It would be as rude as changing channels at a SuperBowl party.

As Umbran and I have disagreed on other threads about the "no tech at the table" rule, here's the kind of person that causes me to object to such a strict rule.

I don't personally know Henry, but he's got a great reputation. I am wary of any rule that would restrict Henry from playing at my table. If using Tech is the only way Henry plays, I'd lose an opportunity to have him.

I would much rather have a rule that hits the heart of the matter (doing things that aren't related to the game), than make a broad rule about banning tech.
 

If anybody in my group had an IPAD and/or HeroLab, I might reconsider the "ban on tech". However, I'm the only one with a laptop and I prefer not to use it for gaming, the primary place we play our games only has access to dialup internet, since its a very small and isolated rural community (AT&T and other online services aren't available there). Everybody, but me has a cell/smart phone (I don't ever want one.) Because the people in the group that were causing distractions by doing other things on their smart phones, than related to the game, the ban on tech makes sense for us. That doesn't mean it should apply to everybody.
 

As Umbran and I have disagreed on other threads about the "no tech at the table" rule, here's the kind of person that causes me to object to such a strict rule.

I don't personally know Henry, but he's got a great reputation. I am wary of any rule that would restrict Henry from playing at my table. If using Tech is the only way Henry plays, I'd lose an opportunity to have him.

I would much rather have a rule that hits the heart of the matter (doing things that aren't related to the game), than make a broad rule about banning tech.

Much as I appreciate that, I'm also the type of guy who would be fine with going to pen & paper if I was coming new to a table who already had a pre-established rule against electronics -- just expect me to borrow your books a lot 'cause I'm not going back to hauling 25 lbs. of books to a game. :)
 

I have/had groups with a no tech rule. All groups but 2 have/had a no phone rule - exception being a boy who had a mom with a panic disorder who needed him to text her a lot, and the group with the doctor and emergency respoders/firemen in it.

We do allow a tablet or laptop at the table for most groups now. Nothing more, and it is only for game purposes and only if everyone agrees. One person unhappy with it and we don't use them, unless there is someone who absolutely needs the assistance to enjoy the game.

And as Henry says, having books available in pdf if you don't play at someone's home is a big plus. Not only because you don't have to haul them around, also because you can't lose them or damage them that way. Gone are the days where I drowned the world of Dragonlance in coffee.

Oh yeah, and I'm on spectrum myself and yes, self diagnosed at first. I am getting tired of people dissing self diagnosed Aspies. Most of the Aspies I know were self diagnosed, and knowing how dang hard it is to actually get an official diagnosis as adult, at least here in Europe (95% of psychologists are only allowed to diagnose kids) I am pretty sure most European Aspies will stay undiagnosed officially. And it is a lot easier to know why you can't do certain things or get sick having to do other stuff, just as it is way easier for me to deal with my inability to process numbers since I am aware that such a thing like discalculia exists. And it sure helps people dealing with me if they know why I react differently. It's not an excuse for most of us, it's a fact.

Also, anyone hanging out on sites like Wrong Planet (and don't get me started on them) likely accepts being Aspie or being relatedto/friends with one. Which qualifies as self diagnosed for me.
 

Oh yeah, and I'm on spectrum myself and yes, self diagnosed at first. I am getting tired of people dissing self diagnosed Aspies. Most of the Aspies I know were self diagnosed, and knowing how dang hard it is to actually get an official diagnosis as adult, at least here in Europe (95% of psychologists are only allowed to diagnose kids) I am pretty sure most European Aspies will stay undiagnosed officially. And it is a lot easier to know why you can't do certain things or get sick having to do other stuff, just as it is way easier for me to deal with my inability to process numbers since I am aware that such a thing like discalculia exists. And it sure helps people dealing with me if they know why I react differently. It's not an excuse for most of us, it's a fact.

Also, anyone hanging out on sites like Wrong Planet (and don't get me started on them) likely accepts being Aspie or being relatedto/friends with one. Which qualifies as self diagnosed for me.

I really don't want to get too off topic on the Autism/Asperger's tangent, but I did ask on Yahoo! Answers if it were possible to be autistic and not know. Looking back at my own childhood behavior shows many things that could have been symptoms. At the same time, I have a problem with the "eccentric = autistic" crowd.

Even though my friend recommended it as she felt I was on the spectrum, I'd already had experience with Wrong Planet and already made me decision about that site.

And now back to our regularly scheduled topic on tech at the table.
 
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Much as I appreciate that, I'm also the type of guy who would be fine with going to pen & paper if I was coming new to a table who already had a pre-established rule against electronics -- just expect me to borrow your books a lot 'cause I'm not going back to hauling 25 lbs. of books to a game. :)

That attitude is probably part of your reputation. But you still work as an example. I don't like rules that kneecap good players. There's ways to write rules that hit the root of the problem.
 


Oh yeah, and I'm on spectrum myself and yes, self diagnosed at first. I am getting tired of people dissing self diagnosed Aspies. Most of the Aspies I know were self diagnosed, and knowing how dang hard it is to actually get an official diagnosis as adult, at least here in Europe (95% of psychologists are only allowed to diagnose kids) I am pretty sure most European Aspies will stay undiagnosed officially. And it is a lot easier to know why you can't do certain things or get sick having to do other stuff, just as it is way easier for me to deal with my inability to process numbers since I am aware that such a thing like discalculia exists. And it sure helps people dealing with me if they know why I react differently. It's not an excuse for most of us, it's a fact.

Also, anyone hanging out on sites like Wrong Planet (and don't get me started on them) likely accepts being Aspie or being relatedto/friends with one. Which qualifies as self diagnosed for me.

Is it really that hard to get a diagnosis of Autism in Europe? It isn't in the UK, so I'm surprised to hear that. As for self-diagnosis, there are so many problems with it that it's a whole other thread in another forum. It does as much harm as good, that's for sure. Being aware of conditions like Autism or dyscalculia (which are not connected, particularly, I note - though ADD/ADHD is connected to dyscalculia) is quite different from deciding you have them and going around telling people that you do. Avoiding diagnosis (usually by finding excuses, in my experience) is detrimental in that it prevents you from being provided with access to a lot of really useful stuff (whether tools, medication or other forms of support - particularly in Western Europe, where non-neurotypical stuff isn't stigmatized as much as the rest of the world).

Complete tangent but I think one particular issue with self-diagnosis in the last five-six years is that a lot of people who had no real Autism symptoms beyond "poor social skills" self-diagnosed, made it part of their identity and so on, and as they get older, at least some of those people are realizing that they just had, y'know, poor social skills (and now have better ones, as age often brings), but are now in a situation where they announced to everyone that they had a very specific disability... Not great for anyone involved.

We can collect anecdotal evidence ;)

My IQ used to be over 140 (age is part of the formula...) and I make less mistakes calculating in my head than with a 'typing aid'.

Mine still is well over, and I make far more mistakes calculating in my head/on paper than using spreadsheets or calculators! I admit that am mystified as to how one would make more mistakes with a spreadsheet or the like, because typos tend to be super-obvious on spreadsheets, and the kinds of error made are quite different. For example, on a spreadsheet, I might typo 58 as 85, but I'll immediately see that, because the result won't be even proximate to what I expect - in my head I might add 58 to 291, and would get 339 or 359, when 349 is of course correct. I may well notice that later, but I might not.

Bear in mind, this is assuming I'm distracted, answering questions and so on, and not able to quietly focus on the math. By myself or in quiet exam room, doing such math, it's unlikely I'd make the above mistake, but that's not the situation being discussed.

What I particularly like about these sort of aids is that it frees up attention - I can just enter the number and be reasonably certain that I will recognize a typo, because it'll usually be digit reversal or a missing digit. Whereas having to take time to try and add the numbers whilst people are talking and I may be being asked questions or trying to think about other stuff, that's quite tricky.

As for my players, they're all pretty smart, but how intelligent someone is generally doesn't seem to correspond especially closely to how likely they are to make an error in math when not focusing on it.
 

As Umbran and I have disagreed on other threads about the "no tech at the table" rule, here's the kind of person that causes me to object to such a strict rule.

I think I've only mentioned *sometimes* having such a rule.

Maybe, just maybe, I'm smart about it, and only apply the rule at tables in which there are players with a problem with electronics? Maybe I've found that telling individuals that they cannot use electronics, but that others will be allowed, to be problematic? Who knows, I might even *think* about what I'm doing, and make it fit the case in question! Wouldn't that be novel?

So, maybe calling it a "strict" rule should get some reconsideration, hm?

It isn't like I'm getting a constant turnover of players. My groups are pretty stable. I can make the table rules fit their needs. I don't have to worry about "kneecapping" a player unless or until I am actually considering adding a player, rather than worrying about making rules perfect for new players who may never be needed or appear.
 
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