LEB Discussion Thread '10 Pt 2

[renau1g]

Personally I'd be fine with that.

 

[Walking Dad]

had to change??? significantly??? really???

Yes, because limiting 18 and 19 criticals to Warlock only powers is devastating to a character concept. It's no longer the same type of PC because it can no longer critical on an 18 or 19 with Wizard powers.

You know, some people like to use mechanics and spent time ahead planning their characters' mechanics and rules interaction. Will you now mock them because you a better person for emphasizing the concept over the built?
Both are part of the hobby and a personal preference is just that.

 

[twilsemail]

Personally I'd be fine with that.

Well, you're the DM of the PC I'd be keeping, so that's probably enough right there. Now it mostly hinges on "Gren" getting out of Eye of the Tiger before Mal starts working full time for the Dragon.

Edit: Or would something like this require a proposal as it's not actually covered in the paperwork?

 

[Son of Meepo]

had to change??? significantly??? really???

Yes, because limiting 18 and 19 criticals to Warlock only powers is devastating to a character concept. It's no longer the same type of PC because it can no longer critical on an 18 or 19 with Wizard powers.

I'm a proud roll-player. I make a build that is interesting to me and then create a character concept around it. Numbers come first with me followed by the personality. It's a different style of play, but a perfectly valid one.


Once the nerf hit, the level 11 paragon path feature went from being useful for the majority (not even all) of my powers to two encounter powers (Dire Radiance from my multiclass feat which I almost never used because my Con was never that great to begin with) and my PP encounter. I was already willing to throw away the level 16 feature for character concept, but now the entire PP was useless. I'd have been better off with paragon multiclassing, and that's pretty much a terrible choice to begin with.

Having Arcane Implement Proficiency with rods so that I could use a Rod of Stolen Starlight to work with the necrotic and poison powers that I took, also useless unless I was fighting undead. Certainly not worth the feat and item selection.

I haven't abandoned the character concept either. I haven't changed the roleplaying of my character one bit (because you actually don't need mechanics to do that) and still plan on taking the Radiant One epic destiny next level because it still fits the character.

 

[CaBaNa]

had to change??? significantly??? really???

Yes, because limiting 18 and 19 criticals to Warlock only powers is devastating to a character concept. It's no longer the same type of PC because it can no longer critical on an 18 or 19 with Wizard powers.

This coming from a person who plays D&D to win.

Do you have to post every comment that runs through that head KD? Maybe every once in a while, keep these Troll-like comments to yourself?

As per on topic, yes the entire character counts as the character concept.

 

[KarinsDad]

I'm a proud roll-player. I make a build that is interesting to me and then create a character concept around it. Numbers come first with me followed by the personality. It's a different style of play, but a perfectly valid one.


Once the nerf hit, the level 11 paragon path feature went from being useful for the majority (not even all) of my powers to two encounter powers (Dire Radiance from my multiclass feat which I almost never used because my Con was never that great to begin with) and my PP encounter. I was already willing to throw away the level 16 feature for character concept, but now the entire PP was useless.

That's because the PP didn't really fit the PC to begin with.

You used a single multi-class feat to get free Wizard crit fishing out of a Paragon Path for a Warlock of which you had very few powers.

The PP is for Warlocks, not for Wizards.

What did you expect?

There were Wizard and Avenger SOC builds all over the top of the optimization boards. The moment that happens is the moment that WotC examines the nerf bat.


I too enjoy coming up with some good mechanics that work together for my concept, but every time someone tries for the cheese (or ultra-cheese), it gets nerfed.

Yes, people can rationalize any character concept and many times, when one is talking cheese, one also is sometimes also talking a real stretch for PC concept. But people really do get what they pay for. River was the ultimate in healing and got nerfed a few times too.

 

[Son of Meepo]

That's because the PP didn't really fit the PC to begin with.

You used a single multi-class feat to get free Wizard crit fishing out of a Paragon Path for a Warlock of which you had very few powers.

You are completely wrong about this. The the PP fit the concept so well that I was willing to overlook minor suboptimal choices and make it work. When I planned the character, Rod of Stolen Starlight didn't exist, nor did a way exist for my wizard to easily get radiant damage replacement by any other means.

The character is a worshiper of Oghma that is part of a heretical sect that believes that Caiphon was actually a guide and companion of Oghma's that traveled to this world with the deity at the beginning of time when Oghma gave a name to all things in this world, but evil, jealous gods trapped him in an alien realm to try and trap Oghma and force him to unravel creation.

I was no longer able to justify keeping the PP when it stopped giving me any benefit whatsoever. I decided to respec him as a pyromancer because it fit my strengths. But my choice of epic destiny and the goal of my epic quest has not, and will not change. He aims to free Caiphon from the Far Realm and bring him back to Toril. (Yes, I'm playing a Cthulhu cultist in the Forgotten Realms).

 

[renau1g]

So as some (most?) of you may have seen today in the Rule of 3, this month's Dragon is focused heavily on providing general Themes (4 of the 7 pay articles). When they were introduced in Dark Sun we voted to block them (appropriately titled Dark Sunblock http://www.enworld.org/forum/living-4th-edition/294702-proposal-dark-sunblock.html).

With the introduction of them this month for a general setting what are the judges and community members thoughts? I guess we will need to wait and see them before commenting much, but I just wanted to see people's feelings towards them (especially for those playing in DS games)

 

[stonegod]

I'll quote myself.

I'm not opposed to themes as a concept, but I am opposed to the non-generic themes from the DSCS. I will want to see these ones first, however.

 

[renau1g]

I should've just quoted myself too

I would love some Eberron-focused ones ala Dark Sun/Athas ones. With Neverwinter coming out this fall, FR will have some, but poor Eberron has kind of been left out in the cold when it comes to support.