Pathfinder 1E Leif's Whirtlestaff's Wizards' Academy Reprise, [Pfdr] [OOC 03]

[KerlanRayne]

[Announcer] Coming before you today is the great Kerlan Rayne. He is coming here today to present his wisdom in this 1,000th post on these forums. What sacred words will he bless us with today? What nuggets of inspiration will he share? Well here he comes. The Awesome of the Arcane, Orator of Oracles, Duke of the Divine, Master of Miracles, Soverign of Soothsayers, it's Kerlan Rayne! [/Announcer] ***Announcer applauds***

Hey guys, what's up? Huh? Who said what? [whisper] Dave, what are you doing here? What did you tell them? You said what? I thought the next post would be 1,000. I don't have anything prepared. What do I do? Great Dave, thanks for all the help. Not. [/whisper]

Ummm, don't eat crackers in bed. That is all.

***Kerlan Flees***

 

[Scott DeWar]

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Long live Kerlan Rayne

 

[Leif]

Don't wish to fill up the IC with sblocks and lose the action.

[sblock=LOL Leif only]I sit here laughing because your post used words like Move Silently and Hide. And opposed Spot checks. It was hard for me - still is to remember all the little difference between Pathfinder and 3.5. But one of the differences is Stealth vs Perception.

Sorry, my bad! The Pathfinder system seems much easier and better to me, anyway.

Congrats to Kerlan Rayne, too! (It's about time!)

 

[KerlanRayne]

Standard Attack:
MW Scimitar(melee): +10 = +6 (BAB) + 3 (STR) + 1 (MW)/DMG: 1d6+1(S), CRIT 18-20x2
+1 spiked mithral heavy shield of bashing: +12 = +6 (BAB) + 3 (STR) + 3 (feat)/DMG: 1d10+6(B), x2
bite: +9 = +6 (BAB) + 3 (STR)/DMG: 1d4+3(P), x2
MW Comp. longbow [STR +3]: +9 = +6 (BAB) + 2 (DEX) + 1 (Magic)/DMG: 1d8+4(P), x3 - Range 110'

FULL ATTACK:
+12/+12/+9/+5 (shield,shield,bite,scimitar)

OK, I've looked this over and it doesn't seem right. First of all, your shield should be doing 2d6 damage. It's 1d4 -> 1d6 -> 1d8 -> 2d6.
Also your combat sequence seems like it should be:
+12 (Shield) / +10 (Scimitar) / +7 (Shield) / + 4 (Bite)
Shield first at full attack bonus, then Scimitar as secondary attack, then shield again as iterative attack, and finally bite as secondary natural attack.


Also, I still don't see an updated sheet for Manny or Tylara. We might be going to battle so you'll need it!

 

[Leif]

Thanks for the heads-up, Kerlan. Yeah, we'll alll need to have updated sheets prior to the combat. No more stuff like you're pulling in my GURPS Traveller game, Scotley! But you'd better look again for Manny, Kerlan, 'cause Mowgli's re-built the little booger I'm almost absolutely certain! [Don't make a liar out of me Mowgs!]

 

[HolyMan]

OK, I've looked this over and it doesn't seem right. First of all, your shield should be doing 2d6 damage. It's 1d4 -> 1d6 -> 1d8 -> 2d6.
Also your combat sequence seems like it should be:
+12 (Shield) / +10 (Scimitar) / +7 (Shield) / + 4 (Bite)
Shield first at full attack bonus, then Scimitar as secondary attack, then shield again as iterative attack, and finally bite as secondary natural attack.


Also, I still don't see an updated sheet for Manny or Tylara. We might be going to battle so you'll need it!

Thanks for the look over (everyone knows I suck at math) Let me show you how I got my numbers.

Where it describes shield bash it says "deals damage as if it were a weapon two size categories larger" then it goes on to say that a light shield would deal a d6 (up two from d3) and a heavy shield would deal d8 (up two from d4).

I made my shield a heavy spiked one. So it deals d6 normally. And if you look the examples didn't go across on page 145 CORE they when two spots down the chart. So that's what I did.

Now that I look at it though I think I should have used the Large column instead of the Medium column. Good catch and thanks. DMG is now 2d6.

The shield is the primary weapon. The bite is treated as a primary natural attack.

BAB +6/+1

That is the first two shield attacks. Darn. Now I think to get a scimitar attack I need to take two weapon fighting?

So the BAB + shield stuff gives me +12/+7 (both shield attacks)

Then I get my primary bite so +12/+7/+9

Then I get my shield bash +12/+7/+9/+12

And then I would get a scimitar attack!?!? Is this right? +12/+7/+3/+0/+12

Now I'm confused. Let me try this again.

BAB +6/+1
STR +3/+3
Shield Mastery +3/+3

Standard attack (no extras) +12/+7

Add Primary Bite: +12/+7/+9

Add Shield Bash: +12/+7/+12

Add Primary bite & Shield Bash: +12/+7/+9/+12

Two Weapon Fighting:

Shield/Shield/Scimitar +12/+7/+0

Shield/Shield/Bite/Scimitar +12/+7/+3/+0

Shield/Shield/Bite/Scimitar/Bash +12/+7/+3/+0/+12

Well I am total confused. And it is all Shield Mastery's fault.

Can anyone make headway with all that?

HM

 

[Maidhc O Casain]

Manny: Updated Character Sheet (For KerlanRayne's approval . . . )

 

[Leif]

For KR's approval?? HEY! I thought was DM around here?! *sigh* Ok, you're right. Check 'em all out Kerlan and get back to me, ok?

And, hey, HM, I don't think shield bash is supposed to stack with a secondary weapon/natural attack which is how a bite attack should be treated. I think you have to choose one or the other, the idea being that your primary weapon is followed up by a secondary attack, either a bash or a bite in this case. Now making your shield bash your primary attack does change things somewhat, but there's just no way I'm allowing you to get in four or five attacks every round just because you spent one feat. I mean, I'm reasonable, but come on, man!

I am reminded of something I was guilty of back in the 1st edition days, that we called a 3-way combination: Sword attack + shield bash + point blank crossbow shot. Thankfully, that didn't last long.

 

[Maidhc O Casain]

A fifth level fighter gets two attacks per round; you can mix and match with any available weapon without penalty. So you could use your first attack for the shield & your second for the sword or vice-versa. To get an extra attack with your second weapon is a different thing - you can do it without two weapon fighting, but the penalties are prohibitive.

Natural attacks are different. A natural attack is classified as Primary or Secondary. If a creature's combining manufactured weapon attacks with natural attacks (taking a natural attack in addition to his weapon attacks) the natural attack is always considered secondary (-5 TH).

So per RAW, Simeon could get four attacks per round. Base attack modifiers would be 0/-5 for the two shield attacks, -10 with the scimitar and -5 with the bite. Taking 2 weapon fighting would make them +2/-3, -4, and -5. Changing the scimitar for a light weapon would make them +4/-1, -2, and -5.

Using the shield/scimitar for the first and second attacks rather than using the scimitar for an extra attack would make the modifiers +6 shiel/+1 scimitar (or vice-versa), -5 bite.

 

[Leif]

My question is still this: Why even bother with the bite? It's hardly ever going to hit and even if it does it's going to do pitiful damage. And most monsters taste HORRIBLE!