Let's talk about money.

alsih2o said:
1. An Oscar sized statue, solid gold.

Weight in gold pieces, modified by craftmanship and purity. Probably run 50-150gp barring exceptional stuff (My estimate of its weight may be decidedly off).

alsih2o said:
2. Diamonds the size of a ping-pong ball, a tennisball and a soccer ball.\

Depends on the 4Cs... however, they'd likely be hard to sell except in the largest cities.

alsih2o said:
3. An 8X15 tapestry of imported thread that depicts a local legend of a dragon slaying.

Depends on the craftsman. Certain artists bring in more worth than others, even for similar subject matter, style, and materials.

alsih2o said:
4. A mundane dagger that belonged to a notorious thieves guild dagger 60 years ago (Capones gun).

As much as possible, ever masterwork item in my games have some sort of history... still, I price them as through the book usually (except that on occasion, a particular person may value a particular such item more).

alsih2o said:
5. An albino horse.

Depends on the country. In most places it'd be under valued (seen as a defect). In a few where horsemanship is big part of culture, likely more than normal (as by rarity).

alsih2o said:
6. A new door with iron banding for the inn my fighter, Ragder, owns.

Depends on the local economy, and how much Ragder does business with the carpenter and blacksmith.

alsih2o said:
7. To have a runner take a shoebox across town.

Depends on the size of the town - small village can get a kid to do it for 2-3cp flat rate, larger places have courier services costing 1-2sp per pound per mile.

alsih2o said:
8. A ferry ride across the river. With a horse.

Width of the river? (Have you noticed the frequency of my "depends on factors"?) Usually 1-2sp per traveller, half again for a mount.

alsih2o said:
9. My portrait, cause I am pretty.

Priceless.

alsih2o said:
10. A live pig. For setting off traps.

Live pig? 5-10gp I guess...
Sacrificial pig? Closer to 5 'cause you probably ain't buying for the high-grade pork.
 

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alsih2o said:
I don't want RAW answers, I want to know what oyu would do in your campaign-

Please state the values for the following items:

1. An Oscar sized statue, solid gold.

How common is gold in the campaign? My campaign uses a silver standard for most transactions, and gold coins are rare. In my campaign that much gold would be correspondingly more valuable than in the standard D&D game.

2. Diamonds the size of a ping-pong ball, a tennisball and a soccer ball.

How common are diamonds in the campaign? Can they be manufactured by magic? Is there a single source for them, or are they found in lots of places?

3. An 8X15 tapestry of imported thread that depicts a local legend of a dragon slaying.

How well-crafted in the tapestry? What is it made of? A tapestry made of imported cotton is going to be less valuable than a tapestry of imported silk. Does the event have any special significance in religious terms? Political terms?

4. A mundane dagger that belonged to a notorious thieves guild dagger 60 years ago (Capones gun).

Does anybody care about the thief enough to want to buy it?

5. An albino horse.

How common are albino horses? Are they thought to have any sort of religious or mystical significance?

6. A new door with iron banding for the inn my fighter, Ragder, owns.

How big is the door? How thick? How soon does he need it?

7. To have a runner take a shoebox across town.

Do you want to hire a beggar kid off the streets or a well-respected courier with a reputation for reliability?

8. A ferry ride across the river. With a horse.

Where? Is it a major river with lots of traffic? Or a creek in a backwater province off the beaten track? What kind of ferry is it? Does the ferryman have a monopoly or competition? Are there fords or bridges that can be used as alternate routes?

9. My portrait, cause I am pretty.

Who painted it?

10. A live pig. For setting off traps.

How common are pigs? Are they used for food, or are they taboo (as they were in ancient Judea)?
 

alsih2o said:
I don't want RAW answers, I want to know what oyu would do in your campaign-

Please state the values for the following items:

1. An Oscar sized statue, solid gold.

Assuming Oscar weighs five pounds, 48 x 5 = 240 GP. Yes, this is kind of a RAW answer, but oh well. 48 GP/pound, times the number of pounds of gold involved.

For all the rest, here's what I do:

a GP = $20. Therefore, a SP = $2, and a copper is about twenty cents. Now take the price of a modern-day item, adjust for being "handmade", if necessary, and then divide the dollar price by 20, rounding up, to convert it to GPs.

Dogs, for instance, in the RAW, are VASTLY over-priced!!!
 

1gp == $500
1sp == $10
1cp == $1

1. An Oscar sized statue, solid gold.
45gp

2. Diamonds the size of a ping-pong ball, a tennisball and a soccer ball.\
150,000gp for the ping pong ball. The others could never be sold for their true value. RE: Steinbeck's The Pearl.

3. An 8X15 tapestry of imported thread that depicts a local legend of a dragon slaying.
40 gp

4. A mundane dagger that belonged to a notorious thieves guild dagger 60 years ago (Capones gun).
16gp

5. An albino horse.
1gp. Worth more to PT Barnum than anyone else.

6. A new door with iron banding for the inn my fighter, Ragder, owns.
7sp

7. To have a runner take a shoebox across town.
3sp

8. A ferry ride across the river. With a horse.
4cp for you. 1sp for the horse because of its weight

9. My portrait, cause I am pretty.
Depends on the notoriety of the artist of course. 10+gp for fine quality.

10. A live pig. For setting off traps.
at two years old? about 10sp. This would be a volatile market though.
 

These are quick answers, specifically IMC, with little of the analysis that I would normally put in during a game:

1) By weight + craftsmanship. Assuming 3 lbs, I would put it at 150 gp + 500 gp+ for craftsmanship, assuming it's well crafted and reasonably rare.

2) a) 10,000 gp; b) 50,000 gp+; c) 1,000,000 gp+

3) 100gp+

4) extremely variable. 1 gp - 100 gp

5) 150 gp+

6) Aw, crap, I actually have a homebrew price list for mundane items such as these. 20 gp, maybe?

7) 1gp - 10 gp

8) rural: 2 sp with the horse; large city: 2 gp, with the horse.

9) 1 gp - 1000 gp+, depending on who's drawing/painting it.

10) 3 gp
 

alsih2o said:
I don't want RAW answers, I want to know what oyu would do in your campaign-

Please state the values for the following items:

1. An Oscar sized statue, solid gold.
Assumed the weight is 20 lbs., not 10 - gold is heavy. Also assumed a DC of 18 to Craft the thing.

PRICE: 2030 gp

2. Diamonds the size of a ping-pong ball, a tennisball and a soccer ball.\
Well, let's see. "A one-pound cube of diamond is exactly 2 inches on a side." That's a volume of 8 cubic inches. The international standard size for a ping pong ball is 40 mm in diameter (1.58 in). Volume, then, is 4/3 pi r-cubed or roughly 1.96 cubic inches. We'll round it to two for simplicity; that's 1/4 of the volume of the two inch cube, so a ping-pong ball would be 1/4 a pound of diamond. If we assume a gem of one carat gives you the gem value found in the SRD, diamonds should be valued at 250,000 gp per pound; the ping-pong diamond would be valued, then, at 62,500 gp.

The tenisball has a 2.5-inch diameter; the volume is then 8.2 cubic inches... or roughly a pound of diamond, so about 250,000 gp.

An MLS soccerball is 27 to 28 inches in diameter (we'll say 27) and thus has a volume of 10,300 cubic inches... or a weight of about 1300 pounds... and a value of 325 million gp!

(IRL, diamond prices tend to scale geometrically, not linearly, with size, but I'm just trying to keep things simple)

3. An 8X15 tapestry of imported thread that depicts a local legend of a dragon slaying.
The average weight of a tapestry is 2.5 kg per square meter (about 0.5 pounds per square foot); your tapestry is 120 square feet, so it has a base weight of roughly 60 pounds. We'll use costs for silk for your "imported thread" - 4 gp per pound - and a DC 24 craft check to create the dragon slaying art... 748.4 gp. (Silk is a little heavier per unit volume than "standard" cloth; the actual weight of the tapestery will be about 80 pounds.)

4. A mundane dagger that belonged to a notorious thieves guild dagger 60 years ago (Capones gun).
This item has little more intrisic value than any other dagger (2 gp); it's the notoriety that will up the price. Ad hoc: 100 gp to a collector.

5. An albino horse.
To most: Sunburns more easily than a regular horse; probably not considered suitable for breeding. Half the value of an ordinary horse.

In a culture where it might be symbolically important (e.g., the "Sun God's Steed" or what have you) up to five times the value of an ordinary horse.

6. A new door with iron banding for the inn my fighter, Ragder, owns.
A solid, boring old oak door would likely be about 70 pounds but should be relatively simple to create (DC 5). The door would run you about 260 gp all told.

7. To have a runner take a shoebox across town.
About 5 cp.

8. A ferry ride across the river. With a horse.
1 gp per head, including horse, means 2 gp.

9. My portrait, cause I am pretty.
I presume here this means cost to have your portrait done. For a high-quality artist's rendition (DC 25), I would say you're looking at 2 weeks' worth of work. A skilled but unknown artist would want a couple of gp per week, plus materials; probably 10 gp in total. A more famous artist will command a lot more.

10. A live pig. For setting off traps.
Use the SRD price.

--The Sigil

(Slightly shameless plug: I used my "Enchiridion of Treasures and Objects d'Art" to determine answers 1-3 and 6; I do in fact actually use it in my campaign to create all my treasure objects, so I'm just following Clay's instructions)
 

alsih2o said:
I don't want RAW answers, I want to know what oyu would do in your campaign-

Please state the values for the following items:

1. An Oscar sized statue, solid gold.

2. Diamonds the size of a ping-pong ball, a tennisball and a soccer ball.\

3. An 8X15 tapestry of imported thread that depicts a local legend of a dragon slaying.

4. A mundane dagger that belonged to a notorious thieves guild dagger 60 years ago (Capones gun).

5. An albino horse.

6. A new door with iron banding for the inn my fighter, Ragder, owns.

7. To have a runner take a shoebox across town.

8. A ferry ride across the river. With a horse.

9. My portrait, cause I am pretty.

10. A live pig. For setting off traps.

1-4 variable at my whim of the moment when they get it.

5-6 normal price for horse and reinforced door (doors are listed somewhere, right?)

7-8 insignificant amount in copper or silver

9 a bunch of gold, could vary depending on artist

9a they pay me, I'm a male model. :)

10 normal price, pretty cheap
 


Aquerra uses a silver standard.

Please state the values for the following items:

1. An Oscar sized statue, solid gold.

Assuming it weighs about three and a half-pounds, about 1900 silver pieces

2. Diamonds the size of a ping-pong ball, a tennisball and a soccer ball.

About 1,000, 10,000 for the first two - the third would destroy the local market for diamonds in most cities and the second probably would in most decent-sized towns.

3. An 8X15 tapestry of imported thread that depicts a local legend of a dragon slaying.

90 silver pieces

4. A mundane dagger that belonged to a notorious thieves guild dagger 60 years ago (Capones gun).

Price varies on who the collector might be - could be as much as several hundred silver pieces.

5. An albino horse.

What breed of horse from what part of Aquerra? Is it good-breeding stock? How old is it? Is it a mare or a stallion?

6. A new door with iron banding for the inn my fighter, Ragder, owns.

Standard Price as listed wherever.

7. To have a runner take a shoebox across town.

One copper piece, + possibly another copper on delivery.

8. A ferry ride across the river. With a horse.

The price would be set by the Ferryman's Guild based on the distance and relative danger of the trip, plus how many other ferries cross at that place.

9. My portrait, cause I am pretty.

30 to 50 silver pieces

10. A live pig. For setting off traps.

Standard PHB price
 

Turanil said:
IMC, none of these items would have a set value, and "magically" transform into a set amount of gold-pieces at the end of the adventure.
Indeed. In the real world, the Spanish conquistadors often melted down "priceless" works of art in silver and gold, because ingots were so much easier to transport and sell. What's the king's fifth of an uncut emerald?
 

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