See History of Sex on the history channel it was not all that long ago...
LG, sex and Star Trek
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hong said:
Oh Mick, him and Zappa have some great quotes.
For those of you who think that LG means strict monogamy, you might want to rethink that. There are fairly regimented societies who practice polygamy today. The Mormons are a pretty good contemporary example. If you'd prefer to stay away from modern, religiously conected referents, you can look at ancient Arabia - a well organized, lawful society in which polygamy was quite normal.
Lawful doesn't mean "following something akin to modern codes of ethics". If there's a method to the madness, and it does not cause unrest or chaos, what's to keep it from being lawful?
Lawful doesn't mean "following something akin to modern codes of ethics". If there's a method to the madness, and it does not cause unrest or chaos, what's to keep it from being lawful?
Umbran said:
Concubinage was also quite common in ancient China, right up to the end of the Qin dynasty. It probably continues even today, albeit underground. That's pretty much a canonical example of a Lawful society, what with the filial piety, social regimentation and honour schticks.
Personally, I don't think having six wives is that wonderful. I mean, sure, it has its good points, but can you imagine having six mothers-in-law? Yow!
Djeta Thernadier
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Umbran said:
I agree. And, honestly, *most* people don't go through life having had sex with only one person, (some do, and that's fine for them if that's what they want). Does this mean all of the other people are lesser? Or bad? While there are many people who follow more "traditional" rules of marriage, there are also a lot of people who don't belive monogomy is natural (please don't start a debate on this...I'm just using it as an example), I know many of them, and they are all very nice people. You know, the sort of people who would stand up for what the belive in, hate to see injustice, and rescue kittens from trees and such. I would not classify them as bad , primarily because they don't lie to people and make promises they know they won't keep.
I don't see how anyone could argue that a character (or person) is NOT doing good , so long as they are honest. Now, if a character starts trying to say, get close to a powerful NPC by having sexual relations with them, promising to be faithful to them forever, to try and get info out of them, then, well, now that's bad.
My 2 cents.
~Djeta T
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Desdichado
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Not to derail the discussion, but Mormons do not practice polygamy.
Hida Bukkorosu
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here's how i would view things:
Lawful characters would tend to have sex only in commited relationships. Chaotic characters would be much more likely to have casual sex.
Good characters would be primarily interested in the other person's pleasure before thinking about their own, and Evil characters would do things like lie to get women into bed, use sex as a tool to control, use force (or, in a D&D world, magic) to obtain sex, etc.
So here's my view of the alignments:
LG: Sex only in long term FORMALLY commited relationships (which may be monogamous or polygamous, depending on the standards of their culture), and always looking out for the other person's desires above one's own.
LN: Pretty much same as LG, but more selfish with regards to how they treat the other person in the relationship. Looking out for self first, but not acting malicious toward the other person.
LE: These characters would tend to be in long term formal relationships, but within those relationships, they would be abusive, manipulative, controlling, etc.
NG: NG characters would be less insistent about formally commiting their relationships than LG characters, and may even have flings and one-night-stands in between relationships, but like LG characters, would be generally selfless about their sex lives.
N: N characters would have both relationships and flings, and would be primarily concerned with their own pleasure, but would be honest about that fact and not cross the line of actively hurting others to obtain that pleasure.
NE: NE characters are out to get laid, and don't care who they screw over to do it. NE characters will use lies, deceit, blackmail, etc. to get what they want.
CG: CG characters would tend towards "alternative" relationships such as polyamory, orgies, "open marriages", etc. They would tend to be much more spontaneous and moment focus, rarely looking for any sort of long term commitment, but also in all their relationships putting the other person's pleasure ahead of their own.
CN: CN characters would tend to the same type of relationships as CG characters, but are more self-centered in pursuing them. They also will tend to flaunt such relationships in society's face, in order to antagonize and needle lawful types.
CE: CE characters would include your rapists, pedophiles, etc.
Lawful characters would tend to have sex only in commited relationships. Chaotic characters would be much more likely to have casual sex.
Good characters would be primarily interested in the other person's pleasure before thinking about their own, and Evil characters would do things like lie to get women into bed, use sex as a tool to control, use force (or, in a D&D world, magic) to obtain sex, etc.
So here's my view of the alignments:
LG: Sex only in long term FORMALLY commited relationships (which may be monogamous or polygamous, depending on the standards of their culture), and always looking out for the other person's desires above one's own.
LN: Pretty much same as LG, but more selfish with regards to how they treat the other person in the relationship. Looking out for self first, but not acting malicious toward the other person.
LE: These characters would tend to be in long term formal relationships, but within those relationships, they would be abusive, manipulative, controlling, etc.
NG: NG characters would be less insistent about formally commiting their relationships than LG characters, and may even have flings and one-night-stands in between relationships, but like LG characters, would be generally selfless about their sex lives.
N: N characters would have both relationships and flings, and would be primarily concerned with their own pleasure, but would be honest about that fact and not cross the line of actively hurting others to obtain that pleasure.
NE: NE characters are out to get laid, and don't care who they screw over to do it. NE characters will use lies, deceit, blackmail, etc. to get what they want.
CG: CG characters would tend towards "alternative" relationships such as polyamory, orgies, "open marriages", etc. They would tend to be much more spontaneous and moment focus, rarely looking for any sort of long term commitment, but also in all their relationships putting the other person's pleasure ahead of their own.
CN: CN characters would tend to the same type of relationships as CG characters, but are more self-centered in pursuing them. They also will tend to flaunt such relationships in society's face, in order to antagonize and needle lawful types.
CE: CE characters would include your rapists, pedophiles, etc.
LuYangShih
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Shouldn't the Lawful Good character be more concerned with the spiritual aspects of a romantic relationship, rather than just the pleasure of sexual acts? I really think a Lawful Good character would form a deeper relationship with the person they were interested in before indulging themselves. The definition used by the BoEF seems to be nothing more than a justification of why a LG character can be as promiscous as they want.
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