Liefeld to draw issues of Teen Titans. Comics fans mourn.

[Klaus]

Treat yourselves to some more pain. Go on, you know you'll do it anyway...

http://www.newsarama.com/DC/liefeld/robtitans1.jpg

Has Kid Flash been shooting up Ben Johnson's private medication? And hey, Wonder Girl's been looking awfully like Starfire, eh? And poor Superboy, he must endure all kinds of jokes about his ballerina feet!

http://www.newsarama.com/DC/liefeld/robtitans4.jpg

Whoa! Wonder Girl and Kid Flash have been hitting the gym! Check out those six-pack abs! And why is Robin so p***d at Kid Flash? Is it because Bart traded Robin's bo staff for Nightwing's escrima sticks?

http://www.newsarama.com/DC/liefeld/robtitans5.jpg

And this is the one you saw, only larger. Raven seems startled by something (must be her new implants!).

 

[Henry]

Perhaps someone forgot to tell him that as a woman develops muscle mass, their bosoms get smaller? Or maybe one has to have implants to be super?

I've seen artists get this wrong before, but I've never seen an artist make a woman's chest LARGER as they get more muscular. Huh.

 

[WayneLigon]

Perhaps someone forgot to tell him that as a woman develops muscle mass, their bosoms get smaller? Or maybe one has to have implants to be super?

I've seen artists get this wrong before, but I've never seen an artist make a woman's chest LARGER as they get more muscular. Huh.

An interesting quote he makes on Newsarama goes something like 'Fans are telling me I make her breasts too big, so I'll have to watch that; I'll get it all right just before it's over.' So I try to take that as a good sign. Then... I.. well, I don't know anything about being a comics artist, but when he says things like 'First I drew Cyborg too big, then I drew him too small'... um, so don't they at least practice for a few days before setting down to draw the first page? Isn't that what all those model sheets and size charts and comparison pics are for?

He just isn't that good an artist, and he even seems to recognize that at time... it was the tremendous hype that probably turned me against him, even more than his average-to-low-grade art. I've certainly seen worse art; the Korean or Viet guy they had on Justice League for three or four issues... my God, I've never seen such bad art outside of a black-and-white self-published thing. I was astounded to see it inside a flagship title.

 

[Felon]

Art can be horribly subjective.

It can be, but there is an objective element as well (which is why art teachers get to grade their students ). Liefeld simpllly can't draw a lot of things that a paid professional should be able to handle--the aforementioned feet being the most notable indicator of his poorly-refined talents.

 

[Villano]

I have to admit, I do get some strange enjoyment out of Liefeld's art. It's like watching a "so bad it's good" movie.

I love seeing his version of "normal" people who are all as hideously huge as his superheroes. I remember his drawing of this old guy with grey hair and a mustache, a small head, a huge, barrel chest, and tiny, little feet peeking out from beneath his painted on suit.

The thing I don't like about him is that he has a rep as a rip-off artist.

Now, I'm not talking about drawing a certain character in a pose like another artist has done. Stuff like that is inevitable. There are only a certain amount of ways you can draw Spider-Man swinging or Wolverine attacking before you end up copying what someone else has done.

Also, I'm willing to cut slack on accusations against artists of duplicating panels on a page layout. No one holds a copyright on, say, two small panels on the top, a big panel in the middle, and a long one on the bottom. Again, there are only so many ways to break up a page.

The problem with Liefeld is that he's been known to copy a page from layout to placement of characters. I remember Peter David had a thing in Comic Buyers Guide (?) in which he did some comparisons of Liefeld's art to others. One was a page from Frank Miller's Ronin, the other from Liefeld (X-Force?). Everything was identical. Of course, you couldn't miss it since the centerpiece was a close-up of Miller's hero stabbing someone behind him by shoving his sword under his arm, and Rob's was an exact duplicate with Shatterstar doing the same. It looked like Rob tossed Ronin on a light table and traced it.

 

[Klaus]

I remember that. And yes, that was a bit more tnan just a "homage" to a favorite artist. There were quite a few example pages.

 

[Felon]

The problem with Liefeld is that he's been known to copy a page from layout to placement of characters. I remember Peter David had a thing in Comic Buyers Guide (?) in which he did some comparisons of Liefeld's art to others. One was a page from Frank Miller's Ronin, the other from Liefeld (X-Force?). Everything was identical. Of course, you couldn't miss it since the centerpiece was a close-up of Miller's hero stabbing someone behind him by shoving his sword under his arm, and Rob's was an exact duplicate with Shatterstar doing the same. It looked like Rob tossed Ronin on a light table and traced it.

Not shoving the sword under the arm, but rather through himself. It was X-Force's ShatterStar ripping off the scene from Ronin where he ibasically hari-karis himself to slay his foe Agat.

Of course, that mortally wounds the ronin, but ShatterStart is only momentarily phased.

Yeah, Rob was pretty blatant with the rip-offs. I remember he had some charactr from back in his Youngblood days whose mask looked exactly like Wolverine's. And that's a pretty unique mask. Then there was "Bloodwulf", a copyright-infringing Lobo-lookalike.

Damn, what a hack. Glad to see that Johns "decided to take a couple months off" while Liefeld's on-board. I don't think that dynamic would work out real well.

 

[Viking Bastard]

I don't think he's taking time off because of Liefeld, though, as much
as that Simone/Liefeld are just his replacement team while he's too busy
writing the whole Crisis sequal and it's multiple off-shots/tie-ins.

 

[Truth Seeker]

Between CBR, Newsarama, and the PULSE...the threads are large. And Captain Jim at CBR, just closed one, with me as the last poster. VB, you can see what I said last. And it was to the point of the entire thread.:\

The funny thing is...RL's art never was a hit with me, it was just there, and there...it was. Gail is writing it, and I hope, do hope that the story is translated well, in the panels. That is my concern, and nothing more.

 

[Psychic Warrior]

http://www.robliefeld.net/shrink.htm

Oh. My. God.

This is Rob Liefield's webcomic 'Shrink!' about superheroes going to see shrinks. The 'humour' in it is about the same as my 6 year old nephew comes up with. Has to be seen to be believed.

I never cared much for Rob Liefield but after seeing this I wouldn't go near his stuff on a bet.