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MarkB

Legend
I wonder what will happen if Mobius finds out the TVA ARE the bad guys and his organisation is being set up
At this point I'm keeping an open mind as to whether Mobius is the bad guy, and is actually obfuscating the investigation into the rogue variant and bringing in this Loki purely to further muddy the waters.

Also, is "the one, true sacred timeline as dictated by these three god-lizard-people" even a good-guy position in the first place?

Also also, it really does feel like they're borrowing heavily from Doctor Who for this backstory. The whole ancient Time War is straight out of the first couple of seasons of new Who, and the bureaucratic, hidebound, officious organisation dedicated solely to preserving the timeline is very Time Lord-esque.

They're doing it in style, though. I do like the retro look of the TVA - very Fallout style, especially with the cartoony posters and expository videos.
 

At this point I'm keeping an open mind as to whether Mobius is the bad guy, and is actually obfuscating the investigation into the rogue variant and bringing in this Loki purely to further muddy the waters.

Also, is "the one, true sacred timeline as dictated by these three god-lizard-people" even a good-guy position in the first place?

Also also, it really does feel like they're borrowing heavily from Doctor Who for this backstory. The whole ancient Time War is straight out of the first couple of seasons of new Who, and the bureaucratic, hidebound, officious organisation dedicated solely to preserving the timeline is very Time Lord-esque.

They're doing it in style, though. I do like the retro look of the TVA - very Fallout style, especially with the cartoony posters and expository videos.
the doctor was in marvel at some points so it is not odd plus there are few other ways to do such an organisation.
 

Also also, it really does feel like they're borrowing heavily from Doctor Who for this backstory. The whole ancient Time War is straight out of the first couple of seasons of new Who, and the bureaucratic, hidebound, officious organisation dedicated solely to preserving the timeline is very Time Lord-esque.
I just read a review of the episode that uses the phrase "wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey"
 

Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
Just watched the first episode, "Glorious Purpose". I loved it! I think I'm going to like this show even more than I liked WandaVision.
Oh I had forgotten they were switching to Wednesdays until you reminded me, so just went and watched it. I loved the 60/70s future retro look they've used for the TVA, it adds to the whole surreal bureaucracy of it all. Hiddelstone has a really expressive face too, he expressed the emotional breakdown well as he went from arrogant would be conqueror to realisation of his own loss and personal tragedy - my wifes a counsellor, so seeing a whole episode of TVA therapy was interesting

Looking forward to the story unfolding beyond the movie flashbacks

and obligatory Mephisto Did It!!!
 
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Blue

Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal
Quite enjoying it so far. Had high expectations with Hiddleson, good so far with a few minor misses.

I think I'm glad they did WandaVision (nonstandard) then a palette cleaner of Falcon and the Winter Soldier which was more classic MCU, and now back to soemthing that feels like they really need the length and processing-time of a show to get across. I've enjoyed both the previous, though in different ways. I am pretty much their target audience though.

The minor gaffes I mentioned before - the opening intro music didn't grab me. I'm hoping that's intentional and it will vary during the run. But I was looking for more Jon Williams recognizing a god, and it was almost trite instead. (On the other hand, the ending music, with the discordant twang instead of closure, I did think did a good job.)

The other is that I get that time-travel needs to gut-reaction show the viewer that they are out-of-their-time which means either forward or backwards, but I feel like Umbrella Academy recently did the old-timey 1950s feel for their time traveler bureau.

Interesting dichotomy between Mobius, not wearing the uniform and acting clearly subservient to the judge, and willing to go "off script". While not everyone wore uniforms (like the processing people), their actions were very uniform to the TSA mentality. And since "purge first" seems to be an operating rule, including for not having a ticket, that suggests a lot about the directives that formed that.

On the other hand, I would not be surprised if the whole thing wasn't a set up, exactly as Loki predicted. Or that Mobius is other than he seems. Or, well, I'm expecting twists and hope they include ones I don't see coming.
 

Also loved the nod to Ironman 3 when loki attempts to use magic and the guard fights back laughing out loud and obligatory #Caseyneedshisownshow
 


Stalker0

Legend
The moment for me was the drawer full of Infinity stones.... you can see Loki literally broken and humbled by the weight of the power here.

And yet....the hint of excitement.... Loki has always craved power, and now he may have found the greatest power of them all.

My only issue is the ramification of the TVA existing at all. As Loki is lashing out and saying "its my choice", and Moebius just kind of soft laughing like "sure it is".... I mean, what is the point of ANY of the rest of the marvel universe is the TVA is just going to make sure what should happens happens? What is the point of the avengers avenging? Are the Eternals going to seem all that powerful when you have a bunch of bureaucrats that keep infinity stones in their drawers for decorations?

So I'm partly worried that the roof has been blown off power scale wise. Now that is comics, but will this continue to translate to the big and small screens we will see.
 

Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
The moment for me was the drawer full of Infinity stones.... you can see Loki literally broken and humbled by the weight of the power here.

And yet....the hint of excitement.... Loki has always craved power, and now he may have found the greatest power of them all.

My only issue is the ramification of the TVA existing at all. As Loki is lashing out and saying "its my choice", and Moebius just kind of soft laughing like "sure it is".... I mean, what is the point of ANY of the rest of the marvel universe is the TVA is just going to make sure what should happens happens? What is the point of the avengers avenging? Are the Eternals going to seem all that powerful when you have a bunch of bureaucrats that keep infinity stones in their drawers for decorations?

So I'm partly worried that the roof has been blown off power scale wise. Now that is comics, but will this continue to translate to the big and small screens we will see.

yeah, the TVA nullifying Infinity Stone level magic and arbitarily pruning powerful beings from the timeline really does blow the whole MCU apart.

I did think it was cute that they addressed the issue of Avengers time travel but one would have to question where they were when Doctor Strange was playing with time too.

I dont think Mobius will be a villain but the TVA being a cover for the true BBEG is not farfetched. Burning the TVA would certainly help keep the MCU on the right track ...
 



Zaukrie

New Publisher
The moment for me was the drawer full of Infinity stones.... you can see Loki literally broken and humbled by the weight of the power here.

And yet....the hint of excitement.... Loki has always craved power, and now he may have found the greatest power of them all.

My only issue is the ramification of the TVA existing at all. As Loki is lashing out and saying "its my choice", and Moebius just kind of soft laughing like "sure it is".... I mean, what is the point of ANY of the rest of the marvel universe is the TVA is just going to make sure what should happens happens? What is the point of the avengers avenging? Are the Eternals going to seem all that powerful when you have a bunch of bureaucrats that keep infinity stones in their drawers for decorations?

So I'm partly worried that the roof has been blown off power scale wise. Now that is comics, but will this continue to translate to the big and small screens we will see.
Concur
 

Not a fan of all powerful time keepers. Nothing is more depressing than no free will. Very not into this so far. Nothing matters at all if it is all preordained. Nothing.

They only seem all-powerful while in their city that is outside of time and space. But obviously they are vulnerable when out in the real world or multiple teams would not have been ambushed and killed.
 


pukunui

Legend
Not a fan of all powerful time keepers. Nothing is more depressing than no free will. Very not into this so far. Nothing matters at all if it is all preordained. Nothing.
I don't think they're as all-powerful as they would appear to be ... or if they are, they won't be by the time this show finishes. The breaking of the "sacred timeline" could be a good way to introduce whatever Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness is all about. (I suspect the different timelines are another way of referring to the multiverse.)
 

Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
Not a fan of all powerful time keepers. Nothing is more depressing than no free will. Very not into this so far. Nothing matters at all if it is all preordained. Nothing.
I don't think they're as all-powerful as they would appear to be ... or if they are, they won't be by the time this show finishes. The breaking of the "sacred timeline" could be a good way to introduce whatever Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness is all about. (I suspect the different timelines are another way of referring to the multiverse.)

Yeah. My theory is that Lokis pursuit of free will vs the TVA preservation of the ‘Sacred Timeline’ will be the central conflict of the show and that by the end Loki will burn down the TVA (Loki is scheduled to be in Multiverse of Madness)

episode 1 was set up to take Arrogant Villain Loki to a sense of despondent powerlessness where he submits to the TVA’s apparent power.
However Im sure that the rest of the series will see him rising up from his low point initially for the TVA until he uncovers their nefarious plan and rebels against them

In the long run Free Will will triumph over the tyranny of space lizards
 
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BrokenTwin

Adventurer
I just hope that the point of the show isn't to just set him up as the villain again.

Also really happy that they managed to at least partially avoid throwing all his post-Avengers character development out the window. Resetting a character's development always feels cheap to me.
 


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