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Loki! (spoiler thread)


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There will be more than TV show Loki and Movie Loki seen in the series, as Kevin Feige teased at in this quote from last month:

“He’s been around for thousands of years. He had all sorts of adventures,” Feige said. “Wanting to fill in the blanks and see much more of Loki’s story [was] the initial desire [for the series].”

“Part of the fun of the multiverse and playing with time is seeing other versions of characters,” he teased. “And other versions of the titular character in particular.”
 

Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
That was another thought. Thor: Love and Thunder is potentially going to involve the female Thor storyline, which I believe also had a female Loki.
One of the Loki trailers shows the behind view of red haired women sitting on a rock in space. Its been confirmed that its not Black Widow and thus speculation has shifted
 



Zaukrie

New Publisher
I want to add, for all my hatred of fate and no free will.....I love the acting, writing, camera work and music......It is a well done show.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
So first episode. I've been looking forward to this one.

It's OK. I feel about it much the same way I felt about Wandavision in the first ep. I ended up loving Wandavision, but I grew to love it.

I've never been super clear what Loki's powers are. He gets beaten up by everybody, but he can change his appearance (which he does rarely)? As gods go, he's never felt very godly. He's not really very powerful. But he's always been fun to watch.

Pre-destined timelines is definitely an agency-killer.

Owen Wilson is awesome.

Nice to see some up and coming black British actors in the cast.
 

Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
I've never been super clear what Loki's powers are. He gets beaten up by everybody, but he can change his appearance (which he does rarely)? As gods go, he's never felt very godly. He's not really very powerful. But he's always been fun to watch.

Well he’s a runty Frost Giant rather than a god so he’s not strong by Asgardian standards. He is durable enough to survive a beating from the Hulk though and has used his Illusion, telepathy and teleport abilities on screen.
But yeah he’s always been more about intellectual Superiority and Deception than overt displays of power.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Well he’s a runty Frost Giant rather than a god so he’s not strong by Asgardian standards. He is durable enough to survive a beating from the Hulk though and has used his Illusion, telepathy and teleport abilities on screen.
But yeah he’s always been more about intellectual Superiority and Deception than overt displays of power.
His intellectual superiority has never been demonstrated, and has no apparent effect on anything. Has he ever done anything particularly clever? He bantered once with Tony Stark.

The illusion we've seen occasionally. Teleport once or twice? Have we seen telepathy? He's clearly not a guy who likes to use his superpowers!
 

Gradine

Final Form (they/them)
I understand that.....but I don't have to like it.
You're... not supposed to like it. That's the point.

Like, I'm fairly certain the whole point of this exercise is to root for Loki to burn down this significant source of predestination, like Loki's whole arc is going to be recognizing that what the TVA is doing is exactly what they professed to want to do on Earth (all that "tyranny of freedom" prattle) and that getting a taste of it themself is will make them realize the flaws in their old tyrannical plans.

I mean... I'm sure there will be the typical MCU twists and turns along the way, and Loki, being Loki, will make non-standard heroic decisions along the way in the name of self-preservation, the TVA will be revealed to be less in control of everything as they appear and/or think they are, yadda yadda, free will and choice will always prevail against predestination, hurray, one last twist at the very end that prepares us for the future, Loki Will Return.

This stuff basically writes itself.
 

Zaukrie

New Publisher
You're... not supposed to like it. That's the point.

Like, I'm fairly certain the whole point of this exercise is to root for Loki to burn down this significant source of predestination, like Loki's whole arc is going to be recognizing that what the TVA is doing is exactly what they professed to want to do on Earth (all that "tyranny of freedom" prattle) and that getting a taste of it themself is will make them realize the flaws in their old tyrannical plans.

I mean... I'm sure there will be the typical MCU twists and turns along the way, and Loki, being Loki, will make non-standard heroic decisions along the way in the name of self-preservation, the TVA will be revealed to be less in control of everything as they appear and/or think they are, yadda yadda, free will and choice will always prevail against predestination, hurray, one last twist at the very end that prepares us for the future, Loki Will Return.

This stuff basically writes itself.
I get all that. But being able to turn off an infinity stone is a bridge too far for me.....

I'm not a fan of any story that is pre-ordained. It was my issue with Eddings' work. It's my issue with any story where the actors have no freedom of will. I can totally get what they are doing, it can be well done, and I can still not like the story. It's why we have so many stories, and kinds of wine or beer.....
 


Gradine

Final Form (they/them)
His intellectual superiority has never been demonstrated, and has no apparent effect on anything. Has he ever done anything particularly clever? He bantered once with Tony Stark.

The illusion we've seen occasionally. Teleport once or twice? Have we seen telepathy? He's clearly not a guy who likes to use his superpowers!
I mean... he successfully dethroned and exiled Odin and replaced him without anyone really suspecting a thing for years. That's... not nothing.
 

You're... not supposed to like it. That's the point.

Like, I'm fairly certain the whole point of this exercise is to root for Loki to burn down this significant source of predestination, like Loki's whole arc is going to be recognizing that what the TVA is doing is exactly what they professed to want to do on Earth (all that "tyranny of freedom" prattle) and that getting a taste of it themself is will make them realize the flaws in their old tyrannical plans.

I mean... I'm sure there will be the typical MCU twists and turns along the way, and Loki, being Loki, will make non-standard heroic decisions along the way in the name of self-preservation, the TVA will be revealed to be less in control of everything as they appear and/or think they are, yadda yadda, free will and choice will always prevail against predestination, hurray, one last twist at the very end that prepares us for the future, Loki Will Return.

This stuff basically writes itself.

That may be a part of it, but in an interview of Tom Hiddleston, that I would have to dig up again, he basically said that how WandaVision was about grief and Falcon was about prejudice, Loki is about identity.
 



Davies

Adventurer
His intellectual superiority has never been demonstrated, and has no apparent effect on anything. Has he ever done anything particularly clever?
Remember the "thank you for your assistance" scene? That looks like Natasha getting one over on him. But what happens as a result of it? The Avengers nearly start fighting each other, and are distracted when Clint and the other agents under Loki's control arrive. He got what he wanted out of that exchange.
 



Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Remember the "thank you for your assistance" scene? That looks like Natasha getting one over on him. But what happens as a result of it? The Avengers nearly start fighting each other, and are distracted when Clint and the other agents under Loki's control arrive. He got what he wanted out of that exchange.
He did, but it wasn't really all that clever. Not superpower clever.
 

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