D&D 5E (2024) Lorwyn: First Light has been released

[pukunui]

This thread makes me sad. I was looking forward to this product but it seems like it's lack-luster.

Yeah, the fact that this thread is mostly an argument about prices and not about the DLC content says a lot about the latter.

 

[Meech17]

I remember when $7 is what I'd pay for a burrito from the local Taco Truck. Now it's up to $11.50 for the most basic burrito option, and up to $16 for something fancy like a birria burrito. If I go out for a bowl of pho, it's $15 for a basic bowl and $17 for a large bowl.

The inflation over the last six years has been massive and lots of people haven't adjusted their internal price scales to match yet. To mangle a movie quote, $15 isn't a lot of money anymore.

This is what I was thinking.

My first thought was "15 bucks for a small supplement isn't bad at all." If it included more of what I wanted (Or if I hadn't read this thread and known that it lacked the content I had hoped for) and it was a PDF instead of Beyond I probably would have snapped it up.

I feel like I can't leave the house for less than $50 these days.

 

[bedir than]

assuming there is extreme underpricing, which is very much debatable and depends on a lot more than the price of an individual item

WotC’s profit margin is around 40%, higher for digital, so if they do not pay enough it is not because they do not charge enough

Nah, I'm assuming Paizo.

 

[mamba]

The luxury products are for serious gamers and can be glamorous.

does the DLC fall into the luxury category for you? For me that is more the Beadle&Grimm or Dwarven Forge end of things.

 

[Distracted DM]

I know they (?James Wyatt?) did a bunch of free Planeshift articles years back, did they do Lorwyn? How does this compare to those articles?
I know there were a few, including the desert setting.. maybe that was the one with the busted Zeal Cleric

 

[Paul Farquhar]

not sure what you mean by no intrinsic value, either D&D books have that or almost everything that is for sale does not have an intrinsic value… movies, books, concert tickets, …

Indeed, these things have no intrinsic value, the only value they have is what the purchaser assigns to them. Concert tickets to a band I don’t like have no value to me.

Likewise, this product has no value - to me. It’s not a matter of cost, it could be being given away and I wouldn’t bother to download it. There reasons are simple, and have nothing to do with the quality of the product. I ran a Moonshae/Feywild adventure around ten years ago, and I don’t repeat myself; secondly I’m not remotely interested in MtG lore.

Ergo, the only meaningful question is “what is it worth to you?” If it’s not worth the asking price, then it is overpriced - for you. There is nothing to complain about, just don’t buy it.

 

[cbwjm]

Why? I can read epub on my phone and I can resize the fonts.

Pretty much as @Reynard said.

RPG books are reference books, with functional illustrations like maps and tables. You don't want it to resize.

Like I said, I love epub for novels, but I have one or two books that were about fantasy map making and I found that epub just sucks for usability.

 

[Parmandur]

Yeah, the fact that this thread is mostly an argument about prices and not about the DLC content says a lot about the latter.

Yeah, the threads for the other two supplements were far more content oriented.

 

[Parmandur]

not sure what you mean by no intrinsic value, either D&D books have that or almost everything that is for sale does not have an intrinsic value… movies, books, concert tickets, …

Those are all examples of artistic products that have no intrinsic value, only subjecitve enjoyment. The value of an item without intrinsic value (that is, objective and concrete, like real estate or oil or something) is simply what people who want an item will pay.

For simplicity the difference between the cost to create a thing and the price it sells at is what is relevant here. Whether you are willing to pay even the at-cost amount will depend on what value you ascribe to the product, but even if you do not that does not mean it is intrinsically worthless

Well, no, thst is not relevant to value on a luxury good. The willingness of the customer to pay is what matters, not the costs to produce.

if things are worth what people are willing to pay for them, then you finally dropped the pretense that the price is justified by being 50-60% of what a printed version would be. Then the price is justified purely by enough people being willing to buy it at that price point. I agree with that.

It doesn't need to justified, outside of investor reports. That it is proportional with other products pricing is fair, and if people wil pay it, it is not overpriced.

does the DLC fall into the luxury category for you? For me that is more the Beadle&Grimm or Dwarven Forge end of things.

Literally all RPG products are luxury items. They are hobby games, nobody needs the Lorwyn supplement.

 

[Parmandur]

Only $7.50 for a turkey BLT? That’s what I’d pay at the cafe at work after my 50% employee discount. Though, it would come with fries (not chili and cheese).

Well, yup, as I said, I just took a neighborhood hole in the wall shop as an example. That isn't a pricey sandwich.