D&D 4E Lost S04E05 28 Feb 2008 - The Constant

[Mark]

I don't think the in-character time-line of the show will advance to 2008, 2009 or 2010. Maybe to 2006.

You keep posting statements like you are basing them on some actual knowledge. And your "things we know about (. . .)" post up-thread has a fair amount of bias and speculation, rather than being strictly things we actually "know." With shows like Lost it is often difficult to have discussons without a fair amount of guessing and speculation but it helps a lot if everyone makes sure they draw the line in their own posts between what is something they actually know and what they surmise.

 

[Aaron2]

I missed that. Where is that date established?

The date of Jack's flash foward is established by the date of the actual newspaper used as a prop in that episode. Whether this was the intent of the show's producers or not is up to debate.

The timeline of the lostpedia is messed up. Check the discussion portion of that web page for details. The most recent actual date is Sun's date of conception. Counting forward from that gives the date on island as December 26th. On the day that the losties receive the phone call from Sayid but we know that Desmond's call and the calendar on the wall set the date they made the call as Dec 24th.

We'll know by the next episode if there really is a mistake. If the losties celebrate xmas.


Aaron

 

[The Grumpy Celt]

You keep posting statements...

Back off Man. I messed up the time line, and the Harvard/Oxford thing, but mostly I'm on the ball.

 

[Fast Learner]

Back off Man. I messed up the time line, and the Harvard/Oxford thing, but mostly I'm on the ball.

Well, kind of. I mean:

Desmond is something of a prat, as he was given the solution to the jumps so they would not kill him, but he refused to share the solution with someone else who was in the same boat.

I argued that no, he's not a prat, he was confused and didn't understand the concept until after Minkowski was dead. I still argue that.

He was court-martialed for desertion and jailed because he went to Harvard, presumably without permission.

We don't know that at all. He had a two-day leave scheduled for the weekend, as he explicitly stated. Nowhere are we told it had to do with that weekend.

The first officer’s log book escaped with some pirates, but we don’t know how.

No, pirates ended up with the logbook. We don't know how they got it, but we also don't know that they got it directly.

It had belonged to Alvar Hanso and presumably he and later Mr. Widmore read the content of the book.

You might be right, but as you note, it's presumption, not something we learned.

That little note book of his will likely become very important.

Again, quite possibly true, but not something we actually learned. Again, speculation.

Nothing wrong with speculation, it's one of the best things about Lost. Doesn't mean the speculation is things we actually learned from the episode, though. Just implications and neat ideas.

 

[The Grumpy Celt]

...he was confused and didn't understand the concept until after Minkowski was dead. I still argue that.

I don’t believe that. I think he did not care about the guy and that it falls in with the habit of the show where all the characters keep secrets all the time even when there is no reason for them to keep a secret.

...We don't know that at all.

Bull sh**. One of the first flash backs of Desmond has him being discharged from prison – and he was in prison for what he did while in the Army.

...We don't know how they got it, but we also don't know that they got it directly.

I never said anything about how the book escaped, just that it did. I never even asserted the book had been to the island. Just that it had escaped, the fate of the Black Rock itself, with some pirates. You are deliberately twisting what I wrote to make me look bad.

...You might be right...

Please. It strains credulity, even for this show, that these two men (one of them a central player in the mystery of the island) would have the log book and not read the da** thing.

 

[dravot]

I don’t believe that. I think he did not care about the guy and that it falls in with the habit of the show where all the characters keep secrets all the time even when there is no reason for them to keep a secret.

Ultimately, Minkowski's job was to direct them to the communications room and die as an example of what's going to happen to Desmond. Besides that, I agree that Desmond wasn't mentally whole enough to help Minkowski - who knows...maybe Desmond panicked - maybe Desmond would die if he stopped to help Minkowski.

Bull sh**. One of the first flash backs of Desmond has him being discharged from prison – and he was in prison for what he did while in the Army.

Right - be we still don't know what he did that got him court martialed. We know that he was promoted to Lance Corporal before that happened, and I'm pretty sure he was a private in this last episode, so it's highly doubtful he was court martialed for going AWOL to Oxford.

I never said anything about how the book escaped, just that it did. I never even asserted the book had been to the island. Just that it had escaped, the fate of the Black Rock itself, with some pirates. You are deliberately twisting what I wrote to make me look bad.

The book, being an inanimate object didn't escape. It was recovered/stolen/found by the pirates.

Please. It strains credulity, even for this show, that these two men (one of them a central player in the mystery of the island) would have the log book and not read the da** thing.

I'm sure that they read it too, but we have no clue what's in it, or how it might help anyone - that's where the speculation comes in.

 

[Mark]

Back off Man.

Get a grip, pal.

I messed up the time line, and the Harvard/Oxford thing, but mostly I'm on the ball.

Not as such. Too much speculation being put forth as if it is fact. I understand you have a right to your opinions, but let's not confuse them with what we really know.

 

[Fast Learner]

dravot addressed the rest of your responses, but I'll touch on this one:

Please. It strains credulity, even for this show, that these two men (one of them a central player in the mystery of the island) would have the log book and not read the da** thing.

Yes, it strains credulity. I'm not arguing that they have not read it, I'm pointing out that you're stating that certain things are facts, when in fact they are not, they are presumptions, speculation, and assumptions. Nothing wrong with those, unless you call them facts.

 

[Elodan]

... it's highly doubtful he was court martialed for going AWOL to Oxford...

I agree. I think we still don't know why he was court martialed. IIRC, Desmond said he had a couple of days leave when he called Penny which should cover his trip to Oxford.

I'm throwing out my Hurley Theory. For some reason when Hurley is more involved in the story, Lost is better. This season Hurley has been more prominent and I consider it to be the second best after the first. The third season got back on track after the "Hurley got his grove back" episode.

 

[RigaMortus2]

Interesting LOST theory here:
http://seat42f.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1704&Itemid=99999999

4 Sneak Peak videos of tomorrow's episode
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