LOST - Wednesday 11/9/05 {Spoilers for this ep and previous eps ONLY!}

[Hand of Evil]

"DUDE!!!"

It is almost amazing how much power with the group he really has, a quite leader...most of the nameless seem to follow his lead more than any of the major characters.

 

[KaosDevice]

It is almost amazing how much power with the group he really has, a quite leader...most of the nameless seem to follow his lead more than any of the major characters.

I was thinking that the other day as well. He seems to be able to corrall the other 'minor' castaways into all sorts of projects. He of course had to get to know everyone when he did the census that turned up Ethan Rom. I look forward to seeing how many of the tail section people are on the census.

 

[Nellisir]

Rivalry, nothing....she's an outsider, and a pretty unpleasant one, currently. Jack's kept them alive for weeks, and while Locke and he don't see eye-to-eye all the time, there's no schism. I thought there might be when Locked walked off on 'hatch night', but it didn't happen. If she tries to push the mid-section survivors, they aren't going to follow her, but probably jump right behind Jack, if anything.

I'm talking about Echo/Eku & Locke, not Anna vs Locke. I don't think Locke & Anna will get along at all, though I could be 100% wrong about that. Locke currently has his own agenda. He backs Jack as a leader because he doesn't want the job, at all. I'm not sure that he's "naturally" a loner, but he certainly wants to be.

Right now, Echo & Locke are the only two people we've seen that are probably capable of surviving the island, on their own, and coming anywhere close to the level of woodcraft the Others have. Locke may not care about Echo; they might be instant allies (doubtful, given Locke's secretive nature); or they might be quiet rivals.

I don't really care about Anna vs Jack -- Anna's "leadership" certainly doesn't seem to have helped the tail group any, and they are so few they'll just get swallowed up with the midsection survivors anyway. They're not meeting as equal groups. The tail survivors are in a run-or-die situation; they're supplicants for refuge. So far, Anna just hasn't got any kind of power base to justify a try for overall leadership.

 

[Hand of Evil]

I'm talking about Echo/Eku & Locke, not Anna vs Locke. I don't think Locke & Anna will get along at all, though I could be 100% wrong about that. Locke currently has his own agenda. He backs Jack as a leader because he doesn't want the job, at all. I'm not sure that he's "naturally" a loner, but he certainly wants to be.

Right now, Echo & Locke are the only two people we've seen that are probably capable of surviving the island, on their own, and coming anywhere close to the level of woodcraft the Others have. Locke may not care about Echo; they might be instant allies (doubtful, given Locke's secretive nature); or they might be quiet rivals.

I don't really care about Anna vs Jack -- Anna's "leadership" certainly doesn't seem to have helped the tail group any, and they are so few they'll just get swallowed up with the midsection survivors anyway. They're not meeting as equal groups. The tail survivors are in a run-or-die situation; they're supplicants for refuge. So far, Anna just hasn't got any kind of power base to justify a try for overall leadership.

Locke sometimes appears a villian in the look of a lacky/henchman - villian can be a good guy - he just gives me the impression he wants a side kick, I am Batman, you are Robin, thing going on.

 

[WizarDru]

Right now, Echo & Locke are the only two people we've seen that are probably capable of surviving the island, on their own, and coming anywhere close to the level of woodcraft the Others have. Locke may not care about Echo; they might be instant allies (doubtful, given Locke's secretive nature); or they might be quiet rivals.

I'm not sure I take that as a given. Most of the characters are survivors, specific wilderness lore or not. Jack has good instincts; Kate is a natural survivor; Sayid has military training (and has survived on the island on his own already); Sawyer is a packrat and has natural cunning. Several of the survivors have the capacity. What Locke and Echo have that the others don't is specific survival lore. However, without someone like Jack, the survivors are in a bad way...he's the only doctor they've got.

I don't see any rivalry between Echo and Locke over skillsets....Locke goes his own path, even now. He's shared his lore with several people...but he's studied it for years, clearly, since he lost the use of his legs. It's not like the tribe depends on Locke; he's helpful but not essential.

 

[KaosDevice]

. It's not like the tribe depends on Locke; he's helpful but not essential.

Aside from the whole feeding people thing he was doing for awhile there...

 

[LightPhoenix]

Aside from the whole feeding people thing he was doing for awhile there...

Except we know that Jin was fishing, and that at least some other people were also hunting/gathering, per Arzt when he goes off on Hurley about the clique. He was bringing in boar, which was good but not essential.

 

[Taelorn76]

Any guesses on whats going to happen tomorrow that they need an extra 4 mins?

 

[WizarDru]

Aside from the whole feeding people thing he was doing for awhile there...

As LightPhoenix points out, Locke wasn't feeding the whole tribe. He provided meat ONCE, as far as we know. Remember there were several instances of "...any luck catching more Boar, John?" Jin was fishing, Sun was planting and most of the rest were gathering; remember that the first time we actually talk to Ethan, he's gathering fruit, iirc. Locke spent at least half of his time on the island on the hatch and we have no indication he's been hunting since, so no one's depending on him for much of anything.

 

[Hand of Evil]

Any guesses on whats going to happen tomorrow that they need an extra 4 mins?

cliff hanger ending...but I thought it was going to be more than four minutes, that just makes me think they are putting in as many commericals as they can and it is causing the show to run over its time slot, sneaky hobbits!