Lost

[Bill Scott]

Screen cap attached. Tis a white bear. From the comic book the kid was reading.

Did'nt the kid say that he found the comic? If this is true, my theory is that the scientists could have placed the comic and the bear on the island so it would seem like their thoughts are manifesting.

Going by how calm the guy was against a charging animal, and all the bullseye shots, I would agree that he is either military or a cop

 

[valn]

The French Message

With the characters speaking all at once, even as a native french speaker, the message was hard to understand.

Stupid-Annoying-Girl (SAG) got most of it right. I'll add a few comments (from memory):

1) SAG translated the "Please help us" part before it was actually said.

2) She translated "It killed them all", but in french the lady used "Il" (Il les a tous tués.), which is masculine/singular, so this could mean a thing, a monster or a man. I felt she might be talking about a murderer myself.

3) I don't remember the exact word, but the lady said she "sent him/asked him to go- to the black rock" (rocher noir) and he was killed there. Was she in charge? She was the only one remaining at that point...

What would the likelihood be that they are on or near one of the islands the French used to test nukes in the '50s and '60s. That the radiation from the nuke tests have mutated some of the animals. Possibly that the radiation is having other bizarre side-effects.

That is actually a very interesting theory! I found this link:
http://www.globelaw.com/Nukes/fnteucas.htm

"Tests were conducted in the atolls of Mururoa and Fangataufa, [that] form part of French Polynesia,[...] from 1966 to 1991. Atmospheric explosions were carried out until 1974, but only underground test thereafter. On 13 June 1995, the French authorities announced that they intended to carry out a further series of nuclear tests on Mururoa. [...] On 5 September 1995, the first test was carried out on Mururoa. [...] The second nuclear test in the series was conducted on 1 October 1995."

Link to a map of French Polynesia: http://encarta.msn.com/map_701514899/Mururoa.html

I hadn't noticed the polar bear in the comic. I'll have a look tonight, see if I can get a clear enough image to translate from spanish.

I don't specially like the whole "lab rat theory", but if it's done well, it might still work for me.

 

[Negative Zero]

in a thread on another message board, someone posted a rough translation of the Korean and French spoken on the island:

Michael: Hey, have you seen my boy?
Korean Lady: I'm sorry, I can't speak English [blank staring] ... I can't speak English.
Koreany Dude: Your shirt's open, close it! Quickly!
Michael: ...

Kate: [washes]
Korean Lady: Excuse me (my korean ain't hip enough to give you 100% here, but yeah ... this is it in a gist, she might have also been saying something akin to "excuse me, miss" , but everything must be ready, they're all looking (for you).
Korean Dude: Hey you! (Or, the Korean equivalent to 'yo', actually) This is food, try one.
Hurly: S'up?
Korean Dude: This is sea urchin, it's really delicious. Try one.
Hurly: What, that?
Korean Dude: If you eat this, it'll give you some strength, it's okay to eat.
Hurly: What, eat that?
Korean Dude: *Eat it*, there's plenty, just - just *try* one ...
Hurly: Dude, dude ... I'm starving ...
Korean Dude: Yeah, yeah yeah ... (this makes me think he understands English)
Hurly: But not that starving. No thank you!

Incidently, there are certain ways to talk in Korean, you can say the same thing but depending upon certain words you add or don't add it can totally change the formality or the ... politeness of the words. Korean Dude is pretty polite to Hurly at first, if you notice he says "yo" at the end of each sentence - but as Hurly rejects him he gets a bit more abrupt, or less formal with him - language changes a bit. No more "yo", yo.

Also, he never speaks "politely" or respectfully towards his wife.

Korean Dude: This is *sea urchin*, try one.
Pregnant Lady: Er, nooo ... thank you.
Korean Dude: It's really important you eat this because of your baby, just have one. Have one. (I really don't think he was trying to poison her or anything here, because why would he tell her it's important she eat for her baby's sake if she doesn't understand what he's saying anyway?)
Pregnant Lady: [eats one]
Korean Dude: This one, yes ... eat it. There you go ... good isn't it? Have another one.
Pregnant Lady: [spazzes]
Korean Dude: What ... Are you okay? Are you okay?
Pregnant Lady: OMG FEEL THIS PLZTHX
Korean Dude: No, no, I don't want to, I don't want to ... Oh ..
Pregnant Lady: Do you feel that!?
Korean Dude: Oo ... I don't like it.
Pregnant Lady: That's a foot! That's a kick!
Korean Dude: Hand ... hand ... let go of my hand, will you?

He's polite to the pregnant lady through that whole thing, although he obviously thinks she's a bit of a freak.

it interestingly notes that Sun seems to speak or at the very least understand English. ironically, i was just wondering earlier today if Sun & Jin are the ones who were not on the plane. it might explain his desire to be avoid contact with the other but but still keep a close eye on them. and if Steve's idea about the island food is correct, it might also explain why he was so determined to feed them. it did strike me as odd that the baby kicked after a whole day of inactivity immediately after the mother ate the urchin.

another thing, how did Charlie get back to the beach? in the flashback, he ran to the bathroom at the front of the plane, near the cockpit for his hit. when the turbulence started, he stumbled out and seemingly jumpped into the nearest unoccupied seat which would have left him in the front of the plane. so, how'd he end up on the beach with everyone else? and if he walked back there like Jack did, why'd he leave without his stash?

~NegZ

 

[Negative Zero]

more interesting stuff from the web (for the record, none of this stuff was written by me, i'm only passing on stuff i thought was interesting.) ...

from over on the ABC Lost - Plot forum:

information from a Kathie Huddleston article in the October SciFi magazine titled “Lost Cause”:

“I WILL TELL YOU THIS, IT’S NOT A DINOSAUR,” says Damon Lindelof, executive producer of ABC’s new fall series Lost. He’s talking about the mysterious and apparently large monster that stalks the 48 survivors of a commercial plane crash who are stranded on a desert island. Despite the monster’s apparent size, no one manages to get a look at it in the season premiere. ...

For Lindelof, who created Lost with Alias alum J.J. Abrams, the creature is one of the many mysteries that the traumatized survivors have to deal with in the days after the crash. “When J.J. Abrams and I were starting to create the world of Lost, what this island would be, the idea that everything is inherently interconnected, that there was some relationship between the monster and polar bears and other weird things that you’ll start to see happening over the course of the first episodes was too overwhelming,” says Lindelof. ...

“There are explanations. We’re not going to have polar bears running out of the jungle because it’s cool. Nothing happens by accident on Lost. We sit down and have a conversation, saying, ‘All right, where do we think this polar bear came from? Are there other polar bears on the island? How did it get here? How is it surviving here?’ We answer those questions, and once we’re satisfied that we have the answer, then we set this thing lose. Then if we come up with another ‘mystery’ or genre concept a couple episodes down the road, that doesn’t necessarily have to be related to the back story of the polar bear, because the island has been around for thousands and thousands and thousands of years.” ...

According to Lindelof, the best way to balance the mysteries, the explanations, the people stranded on the island and their stories is to make the island come alive as a separate entity. “What we came up with was designing the island as a character, as a real person.” ...

this was taken from a thread started by one of their forum members who has some interesting ideas on where the show is going. here's a scan of the interview. the poster includes a quote from David Fury (one of hte shows writers) in another SciFi Article:

“Despite the surreal, bizarre aspects of the island, there will be an explanation for it. It may not come for a very long time, but certain information about the island will explain how things are possible. We'll try to root it in real science or real pseudo-science. There will be no mystical reason or an island of monsters. The island has been around for millennia, and many people have found themselves on it, and as far as we know, nobody has ever gotten off.”

i couldn't find the actual interview, so i guess we'll have to take hte poster's word that it's accurate

~NegZ

 

[Steverooo]

...her husband was in the bathroom at the time (and how come he hasn't been mentioned since?).

I think he died... After Jake wakes up and sees the dog (Vincent), he wanders out onto the beach, and starts doing Triage. One of the first guys he looks at is an older black man. He hurries off (I assumed that that meant that the black man was dead). IIRC, this is the same fellow that Kate takes the boots off of, when she's going with Dr. Jake to see if they can find the cockpit, after he tells her "You're going to need some better shoes!"

http://www.lost-tv.com/pictures/details.php?image_id=99&sessionid=b2f0124af12236bd6ef5a953c9798221

Then again, I could be wrong.

 

[Steverooo]

Damon Lindelof's comments make me think of "The New X-Men"'s first adventure, where they face Krakatoa, the island that came to life (where some of the first nuclear testing was done). So, when Jake finds the pilot, he mentions where they took off from, and that they turned back after the radio went out, but were more than 1,000 miles off course... Anyone recall where they left from, or were headed to? Any guesses where they are? (It certainly appears tropical!)

I'm not sure if I saw the whole thing... I came in where Jake wakes up. Did I miss anything?

Anyway, Kate is obviously the fugitive. We see her sitting next to the Marshall, in handcuffs, in one of the flashbacks (he asks her if she's sure she doesn't want any more "juice", and we see her lifting her glass with both hands, because of the cuffs). Also, the previews for this week showed her telling Jake "Why don't you just let him die?", and then cut to Jake asking "What did you do?", making it seem like she wants the marshall dead...

As for the kid and his "Dad", he tells someone else that he "live in Australia, with my Mom". We know she's dead, now, so he has probably just been placed with his Dad, and doesn't know anything about him, yet. Apparently, Dad was out of the picture, until Mom died. So, neither one of them knows how to handle the other, yet...

"Dad" seemed interested to hear that Vincent was alive, though! It'll be interesting to see what he does with the information (and how Vincent responds to both him and the kid).

I didn't think Sawyer was so bad, and I didn't see him pointing the gun at anyone, until after the bear attacked. He seemed angry, sure enough, but not like a jerk, to me. I, too, wonder what was in that paper (letter?) he was reading on the beach.

I keep waiting for the Lifeguard-wannabe to break out the surfboard, DUDE!

Hmmm! If krakatoa is a living island (and that's where these people are), then if you injest part of it ("island food"), then it becomes part of you, too!...

So where did that guy get the orange?

The dog, pregnant girl, and maybe the guy with the orange have (probably) already eaten something... Three down, 46 to go... (Counting the baby, and not Vincent!)

So does that give the island some kind of control of them? It's part of them, now...

As for "the beast", it sounded totally "SteamTech", to me. I kept expecting to see some sort of steam locomotive, or "Killdozer", instead of a monster. The bear sounded pretty much the same, though... I want an autopsy!

I wish I could see the rest... Oh well, maybe in re-runs (out of order)!

 

[ragboy]

Well, I'm only calling him "redneck" because that was Said's insulting term for him. Could call him gun-guy or mr. jerk maybe. Does he actually have a name btw? I'd much rather not use insulting labels... . Especially since it can give the false impression that one thinks the label is correct...

The character's name is Sawyer. http://www.lost-tv.com/characters/

 

[Steverooo]

Spoiler!

06 October 2004 (8/7c)

"Tabula Rasa"

Spoiler

Jack and Hurley discover an alarming secret about Kate, as the marshal's life hangs in the balance. Meanwhile Kate, Charlie, Sawyer, Sayid, Boone and Shannon ponder the island's mysteries they've uncovered and worry that telling the other survivors will cause panic, and Locke's befriending of Walt disturbs Michael.

 

[Negative Zero]

Steverooo
the plane left Sydney, and was headed for LA. it's shown on this page, near the bottom under "Promotional Fliers". and no you didn't miss anything, the show began with Jack waking up.

~NegZ

 

[Steverooo]

The Characters:

There are currently 13 major characters on the series, but we don't really have that much information on who these characters actually are.

Kate (Evangeline Lilly) - "The Fugitive".

Boone (Ian Somerhalder) - "The Wannabe Lifeguard"/Surfer Dude.

Charley (Dominic Monaghan - A bass player for a popular band.

Hurley (Jorge Garcia) - "Lardo", the heavy-set "Gamer Guy" who can't stand blood. (Obviously not a D&D player!)

Shannon (Maggie Grace) - Boone's sister. "I'll eat on the rescue boat!"

Claire (Emile De Ravin) - Pregnant girl.

Walt (Malcolm David Keller) - The little boy, Michael's son.

Sayid (Naveen Andrews) - A former Iraqi Republican Guard soldier from the Gulf War, who did telecommunications.

Michael (Harold Perrineau) - "Dad", whose wife just died.

Sawyer (Josh Holloway) - "The Jerk with a Gun".

Jack (Matthew Fox) - A doctor. (Wasn't it Jake?)

Locke (Terry O'Quinn) - "The Jerk with the Orange"?

Jin (Daniel Dae Kim) - One half of a non-English speaking (?) Korean couple.

Sun (Yunjin Kim) - The other half of a non-English speaking (?) Korean couple.

? (L. Scott Caldwell) - Dead black guy, husband of the lady who doesn't fly well.

Ruby (?) - The black lady ("I don't fly well!").

That's 16 of the 48... So who's missing?