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[Fast Learner]

I don't believe there are bears of that size in any tropical setting. Smaller bears, like sun bears, sure, but not big bears like that. And then there's the comic thing.

 

[Brother Shatterstone]

I don’t think the creators of “Lost” stole this idea. The idea of being marooned someplace far from home with monsters is fairly classic. But it interesting that in the decade or so since that other pilot was made, society has shifted just enough to give a show like this a reasonable chance.

"Blame" survivor... Its rating are in decline but its still in countries group conscious. So I really think this show got green-lighted cause the executives can see the end of the reality TV show on the horizon. (and good riddance in my opinion.)

 

[Kid Charlemagne]

I find the kidnapping idea to be unlikely - mostly because of the presence of the dog. If the dad nabbed his son, he probably wouldn't be able to - or want to - take the dog, too.

I think that relationship is more or less as it seems - absentee dad, maybe didn't even knew his old girlfriend was pregnant - who suddenly learns he has a kid when the mom dies.

 

[AdmundfortGeographer]

thirdly, (and this blows the whole "she's irrational" idea out of the water, but i'm like that ) the guy with the gun is the only one to have actually started a fight on the island. stands to reason, no one's safe with a gun around.

I dunno about that. We don't know he started a fight. We know he started an argument that led to a fist-fight/grapple. Who threw the first swing or tackled the other we don't know for sure. And at that, he was in a fight and didn't use the gun, or even brandish it to "defend" himself or the others. How dangerous was he "just because he had a gun"? He wasn't.

"No one's safe with a gun around"? Suuure...

I found it to be an unfortunate playing upon the fears of guns by the director/writer, but entirely expected. The show has presented the "redneck" as a hot-tempered person so far, plus has shown him to hold anti-muslim opinions and to be marginally sexist. Patently unflateringly. I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop, a twist, with regards to this character.

As a contrast, he accidentally ended up being "right" to be suspicious about Said, the Gulf War I Republican Guard character, and also seemed to be accidentally right about not "respecting" Kate so far.

I dunno...

Anyway, here is a suspicion I had about the show. What would the likelihood be that they are on or near one of the islands the French used to test nukes in the '50s and '60s. That the radiation from the nuke tests have mutated some of the animals. Possibly that the radiation is having other bizarre side-effects.


Regards,
Eric Anondson

 

[Fast Learner]

Did we watch different shows? He pointed the gun at other characters. And he was a serious jerk. He didn't come across as a redneck to me, just as an .

 

[Negative Zero]

yeah, he did point the gun at other characters. but just coz Said was Republican Guard doesn't make him a hijacker, so i wouldn't be so quick to call the gun toting character "right" about him. now, you're right, we didn't see him throw the first punch, however, he does clearly goad him on.

i chose my words poorly, "no one's safe with a gun around" should have read something more like "Kate could have felt that even after taking the gun away from him, he could still have gotten/taken/stolen it back at some point." ergo the whole "no one is safe" idea (which was meant to read more as her idea.

then again, we don't know her story yet, other than she was a recently caught fugitive. from her actions/comments, i don't get the impression that she's a "criminal" per se (in the broad evil-doer sense of the word); rather more of a person pushed to a criminal act, who resents having to do the act but not the actual doing of it. sort of like the woman who murders her rapist sort of thing.

so, again, i wouldn't call gun-guy "right" about her just yet either. plus, i never got the impression that he was supposed to be a redneck. he just seems bitter and angry to me. i'm pretty sure it has the world to do with that letter he was reading. i figure it either has really crappy news and he's acting out his frustrations, or it has really great news and he's pissed he can't get to it. people deal with trauma in many different ways.

~NegZ

 

[AdmundfortGeographer]

yeah, he did point the gun at other characters.

My interpretation of that was more along the line of a "Hollywood-ization" of showing what they think a jerk who has just proven himself right in front of his accusers might do. I base it on Hollywood's near-universal unrealistic treatment and unsympathetic portrayal of firearms on TV and silver-screen. I know, sometimes it's hard to turn off the cynic in me.

but just coz Said was Republican Guard doesn't make him a hijacker, so i wouldn't be so quick to call the gun toting character "right" about him.

Well, I didn't say he was right. I said, "he accidentally ended up being "right" to be suspicious about Said". Still, he was far more than just suspicious, he was flat out accusatory and chest-thumping which crossed the line which I lay at his self-righteous jerkdom.

i chose my words poorly, "no one's safe with a gun around" should have read something more like "Kate could have felt that even after taking the gun away from him, he could still have gotten/taken/stolen it back at some point." ergo the whole "no one is safe" idea (which was meant to read more as her idea.

As an aside, my wife thought it was clever of her to split the parts, the ammo clip to Said and the rest of the gun back to Mr. Jerk. The two people who most hate each other. Myself, I was meta-thinking, "what kind of marshal carries a gun but not an extra clip?" Thinking that Mr. Jerk should probably have taken the extra ammo clips when he looted the marshal's body, and would still have them.

then again, we don't know her story yet, other than she was a recently caught fugitive. from her actions/comments, i don't get the impression that she's a "criminal" per se (in the broad evil-doer sense of the word); rather more of a person pushed to a criminal act, who resents having to do the act but not the actual doing of it. sort of like the woman who murders her rapist sort of thing.

Well, here too I wasn't saying that he was right about anything regarding Kate, only that he "seemed to be accidentally right" to not show her respect.

It's difficult to make any judgements about any characters right now, the shows directors and writers are obviously pacing this out, and the dribbling of character biography in pieces is a stylistic choice. At this point I'm noting these things because they have been shown to us in the way they have, in the order we've seeing them, and thus the writers are wanting the audience to develop specific opinions. Most likely opinions which will be overturned dramatically as the show goes on.

In this way, IMO it feels correct to think that the directors/writers want us to think he was accidentally right to not give her any respect. Well, in the way that a stopped clock is "right" twice a day, or a blind squirrel can sometimes still find a nut.

so, again, i wouldn't call gun-guy "right" about her just yet either. plus, i never got the impression that he was supposed to be a redneck.

Well, I'm only calling him "redneck" because that was Said's insulting term for him. Could call him gun-guy or mr. jerk maybe. Does he actually have a name btw? I'd much rather not use insulting labels... . Especially since it can give the false impression that one thinks the label is correct...

There hasn't been any spoilers about what he dis before the crash, was there? Because I'm thinking the man is in (or was formerly in) law enforcement. Either in police, or private security. It just feels like the appropriate "twist" that the show would reveal.


Regards,
Eric Anondson

 

[Keeper of Secrets]

Someone started thatthe kid had a comic with a polar bear in it. Now, I don't recall seeing this but if it is true then it goes a long way to suggest that the 'manifestation of fears' is an exceelnt suggestion.

On a larger level, whereas I really like this show, I am concerned about its freshness after 3 seasons. Now, I trust JJ Abrams to put on a good show but I just wonder about their ability to string us along for 60 some episodes. They can either reveal a bunch of secrets to us, ruining the surprise, or they can pull an X-Files on us and never show us anything worthwhile and have the last three episodes be a jumbled mess.

 

[Negative Zero]

... I'm thinking the man is in (or was formerly in) law enforcement. Either in police, or private security. It just feels like the appropriate "twist" that the show would reveal. ...

y'know, i thought the exact same thing! i thought he was a cop. is that just really good writing? or are we both just loony

~NegZ

 

[Fast Learner]

In case anyone missed it or wants to catch it again, this is just a reminder that they're playing the full, 2-hour pilot tonight, Saturday October 2, at 8/7c, on your ABC affiliate. Obviously check local listings.