LOTR from a gamer's perspective

[Storm Raven]

I'm glad you've seen the MOVIE, but in the book, the evles never showed up, they were fighting a battle of their own by the time the fellowship showed up in the realm of the Lady of the WOOD, when Helms Deep came, it was just men and the two none men who came with Aragorn..and when they fought at Minnas Tirath, the only new elves were two of Elrond's sons...that was it, to my knowledg from THE BOOKS.

Elladan and Elrohir don't show up until after the battle at Helm's Deep. They arrive with the rangers of the North, around the time that Gandalf, Aragorn and Theoden go to Isildur to confront Saruman.

 

[shilsen]

See, I think this is where some of the disconnect comes with the people who are fans and those who perhaps are less so.

If an event is so important to a story, why is it lodged in a bloody appendix? What kind of novel includes an appendix in the first place?

LotR isn't really a novel, IMNSHO. It's a strange amalgam between epic and novel, and epics commonly don't cover everything in the given story (consider the Iliad, for example) but only a certain important segment. That's what LotR does.

 

[I'm A Banana]

P.S. Hong is jerking your chain and that of everyone else who thinks he's serious.

Hong doesn't really jerk chains, IYKWIMAITYD

 

[Gentlegamer]

How Lord of the Rings Should Have Ended

 

[Vocenoctum]

How Lord of the Rings Should Have Ended

Check post 14, I gave the actual link to the original source.

 

[Vocenoctum]

Elladan and Elrohir don't show up until after the battle at Helm's Deep. They arrive with the rangers of the North, around the time that Gandalf, Aragorn and Theoden go to Isildur to confront Saruman.

I think by Non-men he meant Gimli and Legolas, who were at Helms Deep.

 

[Raven Crowking]

We had an interesting conversation over the weekend about LOTR if you were running it as a RPG. This is not system-based, like talking about MERP or D&D or GURPS, but rather a discussion about how fiction works differently from a RPG.

The obvious solution was to fly the ring into Mordor on the backs of giant eagles. Quicker, faster, less dangerous.

What do you think?

(1) Sauron would have noticed it, sent the Nazgul to intervene, and gotten the Ring.

(2) The person with the Ring (assuming that Frodo wasn't flying Air Gwahair) proclaims the Ring his before reaching Mordor. Sauron notices it, and sends the Nazgul.

(3) The person with the Ring proclaims the Ring his at the Fire, Gollum isn't there, Sauron notices it, and sends the Nazgul.

RC

 

[Raven Crowking]

Did he leave? Not until the job was done.

Did Galadriel leave? Not until the job was done.

Did Glorfindel leave? No, he even got killed and walked back from the Afterlife.

So you can't call Elrond a quitter—nor Galadriel, nor Legolas, nor even that stuffed shirt Celeborn, and most especially not Glorfindel—because they were devoting their all to fighting the good fight.

Moreover, the believed that destroying the One Ring would destroy the power of the Three, and their time in Middle Earth would end, whether they willed it or not. The leavetaking of the elves is a melancholy event in the novel. It isn't a rout.

 

[Keldryn]

Wasn't that from the second edition, though? Tolkien rewrote the entire chapter after he envisioned the Ring as part of the new trilogy and it was republished in 1951. He changed it two more times after that, and said that he had to restrain himself from extensively rewriting the whole thing.

It didn't start with George Lucas, folks... Except people seemed to think it's okay when Tolkien did it.

 

[WizarDru]

It didn't start with George Lucas, folks... Except people seemed to think it's okay when Tolkien did it.

Tell you what: if Lucas can produce a Trilogy of work that is just as enormously popular and of a similar quality, indeed moreso, than the original work...he is perfectly welcome to go back and modify the original and will get no complaint from me. If the second trilogy was as good as the first trailer for The Phantom Menace convinced everyone it would be....then no one would mind him tinkering with the original trilogy to make it track a little better.

Oh, and Tolkien was quite clear in that he wanted to change more and more of the Hobbit...but he restrained himself. Lucas clearly didn't feel the need for that.