LOTR: TTT extendend DVD stuff. (SPOILERS)

KenM · Jun 13, 2003

Maybe a spirit or something kept Boromir's body in the boat during the fall.

Bob Aberton · Jun 13, 2003

It is a fantasy epic, after all...Tolkien is not Martin, and it's a more heroic picture to have Boromir floating downriver still in the boat (Viking funeral style, I guess, without the fire) than have Faramir finding a broken boat and a bloated dead body that might be his brother...if he can find the dental records for ID...get what I'm saying?

It's more epic to have the boat and Boromir remain in company and intact for the ride.

Destil · Jun 14, 2003

In the book Frodo suggests it's simply a vision Faramir had, but Faramir believed it may have been that the boat made its way down the river was due to its 'magical' nature.

'Yet how could such a thing have happened in truth?' asked Frodo. 'For no boat could have been carried over the stony hills from Tol Brandir; and Boromir purposed to go home across the Entwash and the fields of Rohan. And yet how could any vessel ride the great falls and not founder in the boliing pools, though laden with water?'

'I know not,' said Faramir. 'But whence came the boat?'

'From Lorien,' said Frodo....

'You passed through the Hidden Land,' said Faramir, 'but it seams that you little understood its power. If men have dealings with the Mistress of Magic who dwells in the Golden Wood, then they may look for strange things to follow. For it is perilous for mortal man to walk out of the world of this Sun and few of old came thence unchanged.'

Ranger REG · Jun 15, 2003

Bob Aberton said:
It is a fantasy epic, after all...Tolkien is not Martin, and it's a more heroic picture to have Boromir floating downriver still in the boat (Viking funeral style, I guess, without the fire) than have Faramir finding a broken boat and a bloated dead body that might be his brother...if he can find the dental records for ID...get what I'm saying?

It's more epic to have the boat and Boromir remain in company and intact for the ride.

Sorry, but in the minds of average mainstream audience (which dwarf us genre audience by 100,000 to 1) is not going to buy that since we all saw the boat go over such a high waterfall.

I'm more inclined to believe that Faramir had a vision, or that a messenger bearing him the sad news with one or two personal effects of Boromir as proof. A body would be too gruesome as we've already seen him died.

Dark Jezter · Jun 15, 2003

Re: Re: LOTR: TTT extendend DVD stuff. (SPOILERS)

Ranger REG said:
I gotta be honest with you, I'd be surprised if the boat and Boromir's body actually survived intact after going over the waterfall.

Don't forget that the boat is made by elves. In the Lord of the Rings, pretty much everything that is good or of exceptional quality is elven-made. The elves are all but perfect, and this is reflected many times throughout the series...

Frodo fights with an elven dagger and carries an elven phial with powers against evil, Gandalf kills the Balrog with an elven blade, a single bite of elven bread gives a person the strength to journey all day long, an elven liquor stops the hobbits from freezing to death in the mountains, almost any animal can be befriended by speaking elven to it, an elven rope helps Frodo and Sam through the hills, the token elf in the group (Legolas) walks atop snow and shoots down flying Nazgul in the dark of night, the ents get all nostalgic about the elves, Gimli falls in love with an elven queen, Eomer is smitten by Arwen, a pinch of elven dirt makes gardens grow greener than a 50-gallon drum of the most potent fertilizer, elven cloaks make a person virtually invisible to the naked eye as long as they stand still, the elven rings are the only ones that are still used for non-evil purposes, and so on, and so on.

And this is only stuff from the LotR, I'm not including The Silmirillion. What ever happened to the elves from The Hobbit, who would get drunk and sing bad poetry, and felt entitled to a share of dwarven gold they did nothing to earn?

And people wonder why I don't care much for elves.

Black Omega · Jun 15, 2003

Ranger REG said:
Sorry, but in the minds of average mainstream audience (which dwarf us genre audience by 100,000 to 1) is not going to buy that since we all saw the boat go over such a high waterfall.

The vision could work as well as the reality, based on the blurb it's hard to say which is appearing in the movie.

In my own experience with the average movie goer, if it's the real body o' Boromir in his Boat, very few will bother to wonder how he stayed inside the boat.

Bob Aberton · Jun 15, 2003

Omega's got a point here; the vast majority of any movie audience will have an almost indefatigable suspension of disbelief. Most movie-goers just sit back and accept what the movie tells us, as long as the rest of the movie is even just passable in terms of overall quality...most people won't let a small thing like Boromir's boat staying intact ruin their suspension of disbelief in an otherwise awesome movie.

It's only us small, fanatical minority who actually bother trying to justify what goes on in the movie

Ranger REG · Jun 16, 2003

Bob Aberton said:
It's only us small, fanatical minority who actually bother trying to justify what goes on in the movie

Or perhaps Peter Jackson decided to follow the same format as The Drew Carey Show where they intentionally put things that would be out of place or not part of the scene, and you'll have to guess which one.

Mark · Jun 16, 2003

KenM said:
6. More stuff with Merry, Pippin, and the ents. The 2 hobbits drink the Ent-draught, and according to what was said in USA today "adds inches to their wee stature."

I thought in the book, when the Hobbits drank the ent drink, they became as tall as the ents?

As said, just a few inches according to the book. BTW, I happen to know the secret of how they accomplish making them taller in the movie. I don't want to give too much away, or add to the spoilers, but there's a trick to it and it's pretty kewl!