Lycanthropes vs. Alter Self
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No. From the Enlarge Person spell description, PHB pg 227:
"Multiple magical effects that increase size do not stack, which means (among other things) that you can't use a second casting of this spell to further increase the size of a humanoid that's still under the effect of the first casting."
"Multiple magical effects that increase size do not stack, which means (among other things) that you can't use a second casting of this spell to further increase the size of a humanoid that's still under the effect of the first casting."
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Animal said:
It depends on whether your DM considers magically changing shape into something that is larger than you to be a magical effect that increases size, or not.
My feeling is that if a human turns into an ogre, that ogre (at size Large) is normal-sized; it is not under the effects of any magical effect that increases size. An ogre subjected to a magical effect that increases size would be Huge, not Large.
Others feel that since you are normally Medium, and as an ogre you are Large, and that difference in size is due to a magical effect, that the Polymorph is a magical effect that increases size.
I can see the arguments both ways, but I come down on the side of "Polymorph is changing you into a different creature, not altering your size... even if that different creature happens to be a different size to you".
-Hyp.
Question.
Other than Enlarge Person what other spells (or magical effects) increase a creature's size?
I scanned the spell lists in the PHB and the only spells I saw that allow for an increase in a creature's size are Alter Self, Polymorph, Shapechange, and Enlarge Person. The first three do change your form, but if the form taken is of a larger size category then you have increased in size. That increase in size has come about do to a magical effect has it not?
Other than Enlarge Person what other spells (or magical effects) increase a creature's size?
I scanned the spell lists in the PHB and the only spells I saw that allow for an increase in a creature's size are Alter Self, Polymorph, Shapechange, and Enlarge Person. The first three do change your form, but if the form taken is of a larger size category then you have increased in size. That increase in size has come about do to a magical effect has it not?
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Kieperr said:
Righteous Might and Animal Growth, to name two from the Core rules.
Beyond the Core rules, there are powers like Expansion, and spells like Giant Size.
-Hyp.
Enlarge Person doesn't work on animals so Animal Growth is not applicable. I did miss Righteous Might though, thanks. From your stand on the subject, Enlarge Person and Righteous Might are the only core spells that create magical effects that increase size. So there is only one core spell that Enlarge Person won't work with.
I am aware of Expansion, I play a half giant Fighter/Psychic Warrior in a gladiator campaign. We play with magic/psionic transparency so they would not work together in such a game. They may if a group deems psionics to be nonmagical.
As for Giant Size, I've not heard of this spell. Where is it from?
I am aware of Expansion, I play a half giant Fighter/Psychic Warrior in a gladiator campaign. We play with magic/psionic transparency so they would not work together in such a game. They may if a group deems psionics to be nonmagical.
As for Giant Size, I've not heard of this spell. Where is it from?
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