Dragongirl
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Whodat said:
That is where the Standards of Magic Resistance come in.
Make me a Roman Legionaire
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That is where the Standards of Magic Resistance come in.
boothbey
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Someone mentioned creation of a feat to allow the legionaire to deny the use of large weapons in close combat. I really like this idea.
Was thinking a feat that allowed a shield to essentially do a limited grapple. Legionaire moves in close makes an attack with shield arm to pin opponents weapon arm. Then in comes the gladius. Not sure how to work this out for balance.
The legionaire would, I assume, have to move into the his opponents space. The oppnent would then have to move out of that space to free his weapon for an attack.
Any ideas on how to work this, taking into account attacks of opportunities and movement actions for disentangling yourself from the legionaire?
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Was thinking a feat that allowed a shield to essentially do a limited grapple. Legionaire moves in close makes an attack with shield arm to pin opponents weapon arm. Then in comes the gladius. Not sure how to work this out for balance.
The legionaire would, I assume, have to move into the his opponents space. The oppnent would then have to move out of that space to free his weapon for an attack.
Any ideas on how to work this, taking into account attacks of opportunities and movement actions for disentangling yourself from the legionaire?
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Copied this post over to rules discussion, as it really fits better there.
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Drakmar
Explorer
just a little flavour thingy..
the Roman's used to wear their swords on the same side as they wielded it.. ie, it would be scabbarded on their right hip if they used it in their right hand. This was so that it would not foul on the shield when they tried to draw it.
and.. I was wondering, are the skill that SHARK has chosen sufficient.. because the legion would build fortified camps as they travelled. Would that be covered by Siege Engineering?
A novel that gives a good feel for what it would be like in a Roman Legion is the Videssos Series by Harry Turtledove.. basically a series about a Legion that gets transported to another world by a magic portal. And how they get on it that world.
the Roman's used to wear their swords on the same side as they wielded it.. ie, it would be scabbarded on their right hip if they used it in their right hand. This was so that it would not foul on the shield when they tried to draw it.
and.. I was wondering, are the skill that SHARK has chosen sufficient.. because the legion would build fortified camps as they travelled. Would that be covered by Siege Engineering?
A novel that gives a good feel for what it would be like in a Roman Legion is the Videssos Series by Harry Turtledove.. basically a series about a Legion that gets transported to another world by a magic portal. And how they get on it that world.
SHARK
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Greetings!
Posted by Dirge:
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"I figure 10 levels would be a good starting point, he could have advanced to the rank of Centurion by now."
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Hey Akback! Maybe this helps my position?
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Posted by Dirge:
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"I figure 10 levels would be a good starting point, he could have advanced to the rank of Centurion by now."
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Hey Akback!
Maybe this helps my position?Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Jondor_Battlehammer
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A couple of Feat/PrC ability ideas...
No Weak Links
When taking the Aid Another action, you may do so as a move equivelent action.
The Chain Has No Links
You may aid another as a free action.
(This is to represent the "Bussaw " tactic used by legionaires, attacking the foe to their side to bypass the shield.)
Disabling Throw
You may use a Pilum (Javalin) to attack an opponents shield. If sucessful, they must make a reflex save (DC?). Failure indicates that the shield is rendered useless for defense. Sucess indicates that the shield's AC is retained. In either case the Pilum is lodged in the shield, adding an armor check penalty of 5 in addition to it's other effects. It may be removed as a full round action. Tower sheilds are not affected by the loss of AC, but still gain the additional armor check penalties.
Greater Disabling throw
When using the Pilum in an attack and you miss you target by the amount of protection of his shield, you may make a free Disabling Throw attack, as per the feat.
None Shall Pass
When in shield formation, the DC for Tumbling is increased by 5. Tumbling is also not automatic, any attack of opprotunity that hits and does damage to the Tumbler stops him in that adjacent square. Bull Rush attacks are also far more difficult. Any ally adjacent to the target of the Bull Rush adds 1 to his roll to beat the attack.
(I think this fits best as a first level PrC ability).
As a character, you might look into some ladership feats, or something like the Warmaster PrC. Most of the stuff so far would make him shine in a group but not as an individual player.
No Weak Links
When taking the Aid Another action, you may do so as a move equivelent action.
The Chain Has No Links
You may aid another as a free action.
(This is to represent the "Bussaw " tactic used by legionaires, attacking the foe to their side to bypass the shield.)
Disabling Throw
You may use a Pilum (Javalin) to attack an opponents shield. If sucessful, they must make a reflex save (DC?). Failure indicates that the shield is rendered useless for defense. Sucess indicates that the shield's AC is retained. In either case the Pilum is lodged in the shield, adding an armor check penalty of 5 in addition to it's other effects. It may be removed as a full round action. Tower sheilds are not affected by the loss of AC, but still gain the additional armor check penalties.
Greater Disabling throw
When using the Pilum in an attack and you miss you target by the amount of protection of his shield, you may make a free Disabling Throw attack, as per the feat.
None Shall Pass
When in shield formation, the DC for Tumbling is increased by 5. Tumbling is also not automatic, any attack of opprotunity that hits and does damage to the Tumbler stops him in that adjacent square. Bull Rush attacks are also far more difficult. Any ally adjacent to the target of the Bull Rush adds 1 to his roll to beat the attack.
(I think this fits best as a first level PrC ability).
As a character, you might look into some ladership feats, or something like the Warmaster PrC. Most of the stuff so far would make him shine in a group but not as an individual player.
SHARK said:Posted by Dirge:
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"I figure 10 levels would be a good starting point, he could have advanced to the rank of Centurion by now."
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Hey Akback!
So it does. My apologies.
Regards,
Agback
Dr. Strangemonkey
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Trumpets
Something I've always thought to not be properly represented anywhere is that Roman's, apparently, had really sophisticated 'musical' commands. Particularly in the early periods with those weird maniple formations and the late period with the increasingly complex and remote command posts.
I wouldn't understand how you could function in such a system without developing some ranks in listen.
Also, it seems to me that if anything in the Roman Legion deserved a five or ten level prestige class, it's the centurion.
Give it some nice skills, a few command based abilities, and something to represent the whole tougher than the tarrasque quality.
And it should certainly get a "put down mutiny" class ability followed by the "cause mutiny" ability.
I thought using the pilum properly should involve an exotic weapon proficiency simply because all the weapons with cool non-hack abilities are exotic and using a javelin or sling in the way the Romans did required a lot more training than most practiotiners had.
Something I've always thought to not be properly represented anywhere is that Roman's, apparently, had really sophisticated 'musical' commands. Particularly in the early periods with those weird maniple formations and the late period with the increasingly complex and remote command posts.
I wouldn't understand how you could function in such a system without developing some ranks in listen.
Also, it seems to me that if anything in the Roman Legion deserved a five or ten level prestige class, it's the centurion.
Give it some nice skills, a few command based abilities, and something to represent the whole tougher than the tarrasque quality.
And it should certainly get a "put down mutiny" class ability followed by the "cause mutiny" ability.
I thought using the pilum properly should involve an exotic weapon proficiency simply because all the weapons with cool non-hack abilities are exotic and using a javelin or sling in the way the Romans did required a lot more training than most practiotiners had.
Dr. Strangemonkey
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Also
Since this seems like a thread that would appreciate it:
Here's an essay question I saw on a Western Civ. test:
Who would win in a battle between a Roman legion and a medieval army?
The professor who wrote it said that only Air Force ROTC undergrads chose that topic and they all said, basically,
"Medieval army, they had better technology."
Anyone care to comment?
Since this seems like a thread that would appreciate it:
Here's an essay question I saw on a Western Civ. test:
Who would win in a battle between a Roman legion and a medieval army?
The professor who wrote it said that only Air Force ROTC undergrads chose that topic and they all said, basically,
"Medieval army, they had better technology."
Anyone care to comment?
