Man, Lords of Madness are looking awesome!!

[TarionzCousin]

DROOL

Fixed that for you, Morrissey.

 

[Vicar In A Tutu]

Fixed that for you, Morrissey.

Thanks

 

[Shazman]

So multiple humans, one common and another uncommon, at least, and one core race dragonborn and it appears rare.

Way to go WoTC! You keep listening to that fanbase when it comes to providing character options. Ugh.

You mean to tell me that you actually thought that WotC would listen to what customers want? Surely you must be somewhat delusional. How long have people been clamoring for non-rare dragonborn., and yet over two years later, they are still nowhere to be found.

 

[Dice4Hire]

So multiple humans, one common and another uncommon, at least, and one core race dragonborn and it appears rare.

Way to go WoTC! You keep listening to that fanbase when it comes to providing character options. Ugh.

It is a rare gamer that plays dragonborn. Those who play humans, elves and dwarves are more common.

It is really pretty simple, if you look at it that way.

 

[MrMyth]

You mean to tell me that you actually thought that WotC would listen to what customers want? Surely you must be somewhat delusional.

Yeah, I think it pretty clear that it is always in WotC's best interest to avoid selling customers what they want.

Or, alternatively, that's crazy talk. And, just possibly, while many people might want more dragonborn, there is more demand for general human figs.

I don't know that for sure. On the other hand, I've got lots of humans and a handful of dragonborn, but in most games, I'm still more likely to make better use of more humans. Maybe that's what their market research shows. Maybe they are just throwing darts at a board and randomly picking stuff out! It doesn't seem likely, though.

Remember - WotC can never satisfy every customer. So when a customer comes along who is disatisfied, it doesn't so much mean they aren't listening to you, as much as that they are listening to some else.

 

[Dausuul]

Remember - WotC can never satisfy every customer. So when a customer comes along who is disatisfied, it doesn't so much mean they aren't listening to you, as much as that they are listening to some else.

Bingo.

Recall first of all that the Player's Handbook Heroes line was canceled. WotC gave it a try and (I'm fairly sure) concluded that the market for PC minis is very limited. One DM can make good use of hundreds or even thousands of monster minis, but an entire gaming group may need only 4-6 PC minis for the whole length of a campaign. It's not that you can't make money selling PC minis, but they're not amenable to the DDM bulk-sales formula.

So PC minis--all PC minis--are a niche item. DDM is aimed squarely at the Dungeon Master. The designers squeeze in PC minis where they can, but the big focus is always on the monsters. And dragonborn minis (along with goliaths, shardminds, genasi, and the rest of the wacky race brigade) are a niche within a niche.

Me, I've got very little use for the danged things. I'd be somewhat annoyed to see the wacky race brigade eating up a lot of Common/Uncommon slots that could have gone to filling in gaps in my monster lineup. I want those slots devoted to grunt skeletons, orcs, and the like--things that I'm going to need a lot of and want to be able to get for cheap.

The secondary market exists for a reason. If you want a dragonborn mini, you can easily get one online from Oryan77 or Troll and Toad or something. It may cost a little more than you'd like, but you're shelling out that $6 to $8 so your DM doesn't have to blow hundreds on mooks*.

[size=-2]*Which is not to say your DM won't blow hundreds on mooks anyway... but she'll get a lot more for her money.[/size]

 

[AngryMojo]

You mean to tell me that you actually thought that WotC would listen to what customers want? Surely you must be somewhat delusional. How long have people been clamoring for non-rare dragonborn., and yet over two years later, they are still nowhere to be found.

There was a fixed-rarity dragonborn in both the first and second PHB heroes run.

Female Dragonborn Rogue #2/18 D&D PHB Heroes Series 1 - Player\'s Handbook Heroes Series 1 - D&D Miniatures - Collectible Miniatures Games
Male Dragonborn Warlord #10/18 D&D PHB Heroes Series 2 - Player's Handbook Heroes Series 2 - D&D Miniatures - Collectible Miniatures Games

 

[Herschel]

RPG-only people were screaming to the high heavens that there were too many/even any PC-type minis in sets while the skirmish game was still active.

Then they split them out in to PHB series PC minis and monsters and the PHB series apparently undersold.

And now people are complaining there aren't enough PC minis?

Dragonborn as rares are fine. There's 17 Dragonborn-type minis already (a few uncommon even) and more on the way. You can pick them up relatively cheap from good resellers.

 

[JoeGKushner]

Dragonborn are not a 'whacky' race. They are core. In terms of actual dragonborn, of those two nonrandom, one was a female rogue and the other a repaint. Hardly the ideal cadidates to base future core race minis on.

 

[AngryMojo]

Dragonborn are not a 'whacky' race. They are core. In terms of actual dragonborn, of those two nonrandom, one was a female rogue and the other a repaint. Hardly the ideal cadidates to base future core race minis on.

People wanted them, WotC gave them non-rare dragonborn minis. Even if one is a reprint, it still makes the figure available to the audience. I'd love to see more dragonborn made, if for no other reason than so I can flesh out my evil dragonborn encounters. For all the whining and complaining and begging that's been going on for dragonborn minis, they didn't sell when available.