Man of Steel sequel writer insults geeks and says other things

[Damo14]

It amazes me how people are so quick to forget that from a cinematic perspective all the Avengers except maybe Hulk were B-listers (and Hulk's last movie didn't exactly inspire confidence in the property). Spider-Man and the X-Men were Marvel's hot properties, and those got sold away. What were they left with? Not Wolverine, not Venom, not even Punisher. All they had was the leftover bit of WWII propaganda, the Shakespearean myth dude, and that alcoholic war profiteer in armor that had the worst villains in comics. They approached the properties with respect and CA-CHING. Is Goyer right in saying Martian Manhunter's a B-lister? Sure. And? What, he's forgotten how his career REALLY got started? The title of the movie was Blade. Right now he's in charge of a movie franchise that's pulling in billions of dollars and being shown in dozens of countries, adapting pretty well-loved cultural icons that have been around for decades. A bit of professionalism isn't much to ask. Not even a whole lot of professionalism, Whedon's done a good job of showing it's not a high bar. When someone goes "hey, how about that She-Hulk, what a slut, eh?" just don't laugh along with him on front of a microphone, try to top him in crassness, and turn around and make a "virgin fanboys" joke that shows you're pretty clueless about the changing demographics of people who care about these characters. Doesn't mean you can't make jokes, even at fans' expense, but doing a "joking" routine where you show that you really hold female characters in low opinion, and frankly a bit contemptuous of how "goofy" comics are in general... that's going to get people asking "Why's this guy in charge?"

 

[Henry]

David Goyer can say whatever he wants - just keep him the Hell away from Marvel. For every Blade he's done, there's a Blade II, Ghost Rider 2, and Nick Hasselfury waiting right in front of it.

 

[billd91]

Is Goyer right in saying Martian Manhunter's a B-lister? Sure. And?

Yep. Marvel has been able to run with B-listers and make A-list movies out of them. If DC (and particularly David Goyer) aren't up to that standard of movie-making, maybe they should get out of the biz.

 

[sabrinathecat]

I love the notion of "Whose ever heard of Martian Manhunter"? Um, anyone who saw the Justice League and JLU cartoons, or Young Justice, or even the later seasons of Smallville. Le't see, if it was a kid who was about six years old when JL started, that would make the person... 20? More or less?

And this is a guy who seems to have got his start working for Full Moon productions--a company that was (im)famous for direct to video cheese. Granted, he did vastly improve the plot of Jumper from whiney YA therapy fiction to non-sensical comic book, buy yeah, looking at his success/failure rate... not as extreme as Jerry Bruckheimer's, but he really should learn to keep his mouth shut sometimes.

 

[GreyLord]

It amazes me how people are so quick to forget that from a cinematic perspective all the Avengers except maybe Hulk were B-listers (and Hulk's last movie didn't exactly inspire confidence in the property). Spider-Man and the X-Men were Marvel's hot properties, and those got sold away. What were they left with? Not Wolverine, not Venom, not even Punisher. All they had was the leftover bit of WWII propaganda, the Shakespearean myth dude, and that alcoholic war profiteer in armor that had the worst villains in comics. They approached the properties with respect and CA-CHING. Is Goyer right in saying Martian Manhunter's a B-lister? Sure. And? What, he's forgotten how his career REALLY got started? The title of the movie was Blade. Right now he's in charge of a movie franchise that's pulling in billions of dollars and being shown in dozens of countries, adapting pretty well-loved cultural icons that have been around for decades. A bit of professionalism isn't much to ask. Not even a whole lot of professionalism, Whedon's done a good job of showing it's not a high bar. When someone goes "hey, how about that She-Hulk, what a slut, eh?" just don't laugh along with him on front of a microphone, try to top him in crassness, and turn around and make a "virgin fanboys" joke that shows you're pretty clueless about the changing demographics of people who care about these characters. Doesn't mean you can't make jokes, even at fans' expense, but doing a "joking" routine where you show that you really hold female characters in low opinion, and frankly a bit contemptuous of how "goofy" comics are in general... that's going to get people asking "Why's this guy in charge?"

Avengers as B-Listers???

The original idea behind the Avengers was to get Marvel's hottest superheroes into a team, if I recall correctly.

Captain America was one of the leading characters of comics from the 40s onwards.

Ironman has been one of the major characters of comics since the 60s.

Both are solid A-listers, probably stronger on the A-list up until the 90s when the X-comics started overtaking them...but still really strong in the comics lines.

You've already mentioned the Hulk, though the Hulk was more of a 70s and onwards thing (given a boost by the TV show no doubt).

Thor may not be as strong as the others, but at least he had his own comic book.

In modern times those Avengers are still A-Listers.

Now, Hawkeye, Black Widow, and such could be B-listers (or even C-listers)...but to think Cap and Iron Man were ever B-listers is like saying Green Lantern and Wonder Women are B-listers.

PS: It should be noted that a Cap film had previously been attempted, and though X-men had it's own series, as far as animation goes, Ironman had his own animated movie, along with the Avengers with Cap and Ironman at it's fore in two animated movies had come out as well. Ironman also had his own series previously after the X-men, though not as long lasting as the X-men series.